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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with it but what is tonight it's

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Thursday a Thursday night edition of UFO

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news network Sunday it's hard keeping

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these days straight with so much going

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on but before I bring in my co-host

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Johanna and before she brings in our

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special guests for this evening I'm

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gonna go through some recent news that

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that we have discovered that I have

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discovered regarding these admiral

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wilson documents and this one is a

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little bit negative as far as the

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genuineness of these documents now what

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I want to do is I refer er you all to

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page 5 of these documents listing live

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you can go to the immigrant file and

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take a look for yourself

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we've got them up here probably not the

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the best the best to look at but let's

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do this let's just the that page 5 that

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we want to take a closer look at this is

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her Admiral Thomas Wilson came to test

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site special area to wrap up projects he

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began in 98 successor can't be bothered

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right now for a lack of time and

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knowledge did tour audit say goodbye to

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folks trip set up by NNSA

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National Nuclear Security Agency rich

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and Doug new PWD meeting Eric Davis know

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them a Pheo members told about how new

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Las Vegas chapter needed guest speakers

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for chapter public venue raise money etc

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okay so rich end up we've got that rich

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and Doug name and I mentioned on Sunday

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I think I knew who rich was and perusing

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through the the online documentation at

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the a Pio site I was able to find their

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newsletter for the year 2002 that in

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fact covered some interesting

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information and let's take a closer look

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at that right okay so there we see page

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14 from the 2002 FeO newsletter and let

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me get over to one that I can look at a

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little bit more clearly and what we see

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is obviously a new report so the monthly

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reports for the month of October about

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2002 what they're the different the

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different chapters of a Pheo around the

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RUP - and it seems like that whenever

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they have a special speaker come in they

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mention it like this particular chapter

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here I cut off round the location but

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they've got brought in Michael Salazar

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the the Florida Suncoast chapter looks

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like they brought in a guy named bob

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sumner this chapter here well they bring

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in guest speakers I mean that's what

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these kind of organizations do here's a

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here's a real interesting guest speaker

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for the FeO New England chapter in

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October 2002 you had a retired Major

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General ed Thompson spoil you speaking

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about the u.s. remote-viewing program so

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that's kind of interesting something you

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never know what you might find when you

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go through some of this our

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documentation but bottom right you look

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very closely we've got at the very well

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what's a weave it looks like there are a

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couple of chapters in Nevada one is

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North Sierra chapter and it looks like

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they're kickoff meeting so it seems like

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in September this was perhaps a new a

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Pio chapter and then at the very bottom

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a very bottom right

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in October the new a Pheo Las Vegas

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chapter held its first meeting so that

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part of the document checks out that it

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was a new chapter of this organization a

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Pheo that checks out as far as you know

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perhaps a reason that the Admiral Wilson

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might go to Vegas but it seems to me the

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implication in what he's telling Davis

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per these notes is that he's going out

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there he's there to speak he's there to

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help generate membership and get the

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organization off to a good start yet it

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doesn't mention anything in there about

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what happened at this October meeting

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doesn't say that Admiral Wilson was

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there you would think you know why would

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you keep something that Gladys secret

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who would care it doesn't really matter

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you know he's going out nobody knows

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he's going out and he's going to reveal

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all to Eric Davis so you see out there

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on some some old government business he

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wants to clear up and he can also help

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out these Accio guys and get their new

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say anything about that it says in

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October the new a Pheo Las Vegas chapter

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held its first meeting but that doesn't

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say anything that happened at the

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meeting again you would think that if

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Wilson was there and he was supposedly

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certainly have to think that rich is

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exactly who I was suspect that he was

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rich in elk owned the president of new

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chapter now why wouldn't you bring

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Wilson out that to your very first

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meeting and have him speak at your very

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first meeting why wouldn't you do that

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and if he did do that why was there no

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so there's that little tough I think for

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the okay Frank thank you so much by the

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way I think your audio was just a little

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bit broken up there I'm not sure you

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know my sound levels are okay um yeah I

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just heard a little bit of breaks while

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you're talking but we do have a special

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guest on tonight and we have interviewed

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her before her name is Melinda Leslie

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she really needs no introduction at all

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she's very well known in the UFO

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community and but I'm gonna go ahead and

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give a little bit of background on her

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just in case that we we have folks who

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have never heard of her before she's an

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investigator in the field of ufology

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with 30 years of experience and research

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individuals involved in its cover-up for

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28 years

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for nine years she has been the owner of

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UFO sighting tours in Sedona Arizona

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where she has conducted over 1050 tours

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with the use of military night-vision

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goggles to date Melinda's 7502 our

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clients have felt they have always had

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true UFO sightings on every tour except

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for only one Melinda is a UFO abductees

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and has been public with her own

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extraterrestrial and covert ops human

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abduction experiences for almost 30

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years and is considered by many to be

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the authority on covert military and

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intelligence agency involvement in UFO

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abduction cases both her research and

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personal experiences have been featured

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in 24 books by prominent authors in

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ufology Melinda has lectured for

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numerous organizations including UFO

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MUFON chapters the X conference a big

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area UFO Expo the whole life Expo and

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more she is a frequent guest on radio

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shoes shows including as a repeat on

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coast to coast am appeared on several

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television television shows and is

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featured in the new film documentary

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extraordinary the seating and we will

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definitely show you the link to that and

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also give you the link to her UFO

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sighting tours calm and the film trailer

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to the seating welcome Melinda how are

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you doing this evening thank you so much

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for coming in to join us tonight from

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the beautiful area of Arizona Sedona yes

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thank you thank you Chan for having me

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in Frank - thank you guys for having me

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yeah I've actually been to Sedona many

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times it's such a beautiful area I bet

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you love living out there I I do I do

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I had come to Sedona on and off since

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I ever had here I thought one day I

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gotta live here I just adored it so much

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and about nine years ago everything came

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together in my life to make that

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possible and Here I am and then I've

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been doing my business for about eight

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and a half years now quite successfully

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luckily so there we go that is so

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fantastic now I just kind of wanted to

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get straight to it there's an

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interesting topic kind of something

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that's been trending heavily in the UFO

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community and I understand that you

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wanted to talk a little bit about top do

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you want to go ahead and touch on that

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now sure are you referring to the

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documents yep let's go in and start no

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the documents that would be great thank

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you so much well I think for people to

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know what got me in involved in this

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story you know a week ago I think it's

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been just over a week since the kind of

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big release even though certain

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documents had been released prior to

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that and then even the the main

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documents so far in question the Wilson

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one had been released privately but had

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not kind of made it into into the minds

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and and into the view of a lot of people

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in the field the few people who

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sieved it before were sitting on it for

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a variety of reasons I've talked to many

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of them and and they had good reasons

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for why they were waiting mostly let's

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see if it comes out on its own let's see

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if stuff comes up I can verify it they

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virtual time doing with a research

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involved in the UFO field for about 30

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years now start with sightings out at

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key and then just discovering I was a

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and AV for abduction and trying to come

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to terms with that but in the midst of

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my Miller experience and and research I

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felt kind of into something which is a

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long story which this whole program

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doesn't need to be about I do have an

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additional link that I know chant and

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Frank I believe I haven't looked but I

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believe they put this up for me besides

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to the new documentary movie I'm in

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about the hybridization program and

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abductions called the seeding which is

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going to be what's called extraordinary

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Cassini it's going to be it is an

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incredible movie I've seen it and it

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comes out September 3rd to be released

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on all pay-per-view formats on September

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3rd and I'm going to be sharing that

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widely when that happens but there is a

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Facebook page for the seating so I

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recommend everybody look up

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extraordinary the seating on Facebook

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join that page you'll get the updates

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and it is currently out where people can

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pre-order it you know pre-order to own

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in and so even what 12 or 13 bucks

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pre-order to actually own it on Amazon

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order and your pre-order and iTunes but

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again if you go to the Facebook page for

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extraordinary the seating and we have a

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link there to the trailer as she said no

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but the other thing isn't of course a

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link to my website for my UFO sighting

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tours here in Sedona so that link is up

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there but the third link

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is a lecture I gave which I gave a year

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and a half ago for Lori and Fenton

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that's not alien con that's the one

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Convention Center but no us o con in the

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Bay Area a smaller conference but very

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important and and she had me give a

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complete presentation for the first time

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ever on my 40 year history I should say

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Randi cope hangs in my research of the

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40 year history of the working group and

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so so I'm going to occasionally be

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referencing that please people watch

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that presentation everything that is

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going on in the current disclosure story

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combined with everything going on with

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these documents will be much better

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understood by everyone and I'm not doing

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this to toot my own horn oh it's my

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lecture no it's about the evidence in

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there and the research and it's a

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28-year research project by Randy and I

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we started at 28 years ago but it covers

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the 40-year history at least what we

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could document is about 40 year history

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of this group and they've been

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continually involved in the UFO research

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subject from then up to the present day

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now I can get more into that later but

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because of that knowledge and because of

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that history I you know there's a lot of

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information that I know so I'm the

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Saturday now I know that the Wilson

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document came out whatever we could go

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on Friday if I'm not mistaken correct it

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was the Thursday well we could go today

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two weeks ago what was Thursday yet was

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like believe though late Thursday night

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it was technically after midnight so in

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other words was early Friday morning as

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my understanding is when it first came

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up and showed up I believe at that point

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in Reddit and a young guns discussion

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group on reddit if I'm not mistaken yeah

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came out some time back on April was

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posted on imgur back in

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April and then grant and a few other

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researchers were given various documents

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or pages of documents approximately a

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year ago or on and off over the last

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year leading up to this but again those

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people sat on it Grant had approached

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Michael hall for as a lawyer as his

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attorney to say do I need to be careful

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of anything here I don't want to break

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any laws this and that and Michael said

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you can publish it your upcoming book as

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long it is as it is redacted heavily

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redacted removing all names Bruton

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removing certain you know individual

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names of people and group names etc and

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so grandpa's going to do that and was

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quite happy alluding to the fact he had

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something and as you guys know the story

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in case other people out there done and

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then all of a sudden it gets released

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whatever Thursday night Friday me and I

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didn't get whiff of it till really

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following and chant knows and you do to

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friends I'm very active in a bunch of

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Facebook pages dealing with the whole to

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the Stars Academy a tip etcetera

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etcetera and and so I was getting whiff

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of something I hadn't looked at it

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finally I did know jumping to the chase

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here now now we know to and everyone's

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saying the Wilson document I think we

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need to correct ourselves about that

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because these are actually a series of

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documents of which there are more to

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come that were in the possession of the

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late dr. Edgar Mitchell astronaut Edgar

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Mitchell and how do you know that so I

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think well through a number of things

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some of the people who handed coffee

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sets to certain key individuals like

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grant have said that yes it it came out

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of that you made an additional well and

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and and some others and not to go into

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great detail right now it's almost

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doesn't matter but yes so these

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individuals are saying yes in addition

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in addition to the third document which

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grant released whatever 48 hours ago

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yesterday I believe 24 hours and I think

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there's more maybe dig before yesterday

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okay okay but grant released an

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additional document that he had in his

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possession given to him at the time that

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all of them were given but he thought

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this one was important because it is a

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letter from Robert Bigelow to dr. Edgar

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Mitchell and and yet referencing his

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attending an upcoming meeting and that

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meeting was a meeting for knids National

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Institute of Discovery Science and it is

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clearly on mids letterhead very clearly

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and from everything I can see having had

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seen past documents referencing their

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letterhead and everything that that I

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and others believe that to be legit and

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Robert Bigelow wrote this letter it says

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at the bottom it has little initials

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that show him and then slash and then

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obviously assist in or secretary you

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know having it actually typed it up

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having it been in that position for many

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years in the past myself you know I

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instantly recognize that and and it went

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to dr. Edgar Mitchell about about his

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involvement in these upcoming meetings

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that he was going to be traveling to be

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a part of for the board of directors and

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consultants to knids it doesn't state

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everyone who's going to be involved but

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it states a few of the individuals

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within the context letter and the nature

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of what they were going to be discussing

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in the meeting various projects and

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whatnot but clearly this is something

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that went from Bigelow to dr. Edgar

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Mitchell most of the key researchers and

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I yesterday I've spent over the last

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five days lot of hours on the phone with

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key researchers with Richard Dolan with

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Grant Cameron with Rey Hernandez who

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knew dr. Edgar Mitchell well and as the

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director of free that found dr. Edgar

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Mitchell foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters and and and

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and others

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so I talked to I haven't tossed directly

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to James

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but these people at least Grant and

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Richard did etc so I feel like I I know

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where she stands on it and etc so so

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again and and my research partner Randi

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coping and attorney Daniel Sheehan you

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know and and others so I'm just you know

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for announcing names but not to nestle

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drink named doctor but I'm talking to

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some very responsible people and we are

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all in agreement because the evidence

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suggests that these at least came out of

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the files of dr. Edgar Mitchell and

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grant has more documents and more

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apparently that say you know to Edgar

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Mitchell or referencing that these so at

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the time dr. Edgar Mitchell was on the

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board of directors for MIT he was

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actually my understanding and I'll stand

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correct if this is not true but my

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understanding is he was a paid

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consultant at the time which is why this

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letter goes to him about his involvement

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in the meeting there are some series

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that have been expressed to me or maybe

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even people with a little bit insight as

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to how these got leaked from what I am

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hearing it is not suggesting at this

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point we could change this you know this

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is this is morphing and changing nobody

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hang your hat on any hypothesis we don't

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know enough I'm just saying this is what

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the evidence suggests this is what these

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key researchers are saying which is that

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someone in conjunction with Edgar

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Mitchell releases now there could be a

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list of motives and I list some of those

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we can get to those later that are my

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thoughts based upon what I know about

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the subject and what I think some of the

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motives might be Rey Hernandez suggested

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an individual to me that I shared with

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Richard Dolan Dolan disagreed with me

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heavily

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but admitted he could be wrong he didn't

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actually know but his evidence suggested

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maybe not as far as that individual when

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I spoke about that same individual with

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Grant Cameron he said likely and if not

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directly then that person who certainly

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had access to Edgar's files if not in

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possession of them may have then passed

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it along now in an effort to protect

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either that individual or others

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involved who may be doing this with

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really good intentions

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obviously risking anything from possible

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legal action to to to at least ridicule

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and even possibly their well-being

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you know life or hell threatened so I

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agree and I've talked to all these other

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researchers about even if we think we

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know even if we're certain at some point

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we do know we are not sharing that name

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so as a right now I can just say I

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there's evidence to suggest something

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and multiple pieces that make perfect

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logic sense as to who did this but going

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back to my involvement so that's just

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kind of a a sideline is so here Randy

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and I have been researching this group I

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provided an additional document you guys

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I'll get into in a minute

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but when this when I saw this on

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Saturday and I read it for the first

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time what do you tell my job now the

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Wilson documents so far three documents

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have come out one is really a series of

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documents in that they are copies of

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emails so that is the first one is the

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series of emails and that is about the

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alien autopsy Ray Santilli film etc etc

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and that these individuals were having a

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group all the individuals mentioned in

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those at the time were involved either

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directly or indirectly with MS clearly

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so this is a knids project okay

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then the N and dr. Edgar Mitchell is

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getting copied on the documents because

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he is active with them at the time

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attending meetings and so everybody's

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getting copies at everything it makes

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perfect sense and then and then and

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again I'm not saying that

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Edgar's leaked these or asked them to be

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you know that dr. Mitchell did this

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before he died saying when I'm gone I

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don't think so

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I talked to Ray Hernandez extensively

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about this he had quite a lengthy

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discussion to say why he didn't think

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Edgar would do that because of who he

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was and the nature of the man but could

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he have in allowing someone to have or

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ant have copies of and fork access to

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his files could that person upon his

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passing have a reason to do this

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absolutely or it may even be a group of

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people and then they started to get the

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documents out there to certain

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researchers and we don't know and I

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don't know how to say I don't know who

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to this day posted the Wilson document

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anyways or even the poor even the emails

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one on imgur or read it I don't know I

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don't think anybody does or if someone

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does their home back on that but but for

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instance you know James Rigney has said

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I'm not going to disclose who gave this

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to me it doesn't matter it's about the

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content and I agree

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everyone's getting hung up and it's like

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guys I think all the evidence says that

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these were knids documents that want

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went to Edgar Mitchell that would make

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perfect sense for him to be in

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possession grant does say he has a few

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more that he may release we believe

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there may be others it's alluded to by

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some of the researchers who were given

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copies that whoever gave them to him

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said there there are more and so maybe

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more are going to be coming out I think

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grant has one more he's going to come

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forward with and I believe that I

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suspect others will come forward we

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don't know how many if it is copies of

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everything dr. Mitchell it was copied on

545
00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:36,450
while his involvement as paid consultant

546
00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:37,270
tune is that you know

547
00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:39,100
if if he was involved in that

548
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:40,900
organization he could have been copied

549
00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:44,560
everything for whatever period of time

550
00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:46,390
that he was involved and maybe prior to

551
00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:47,800
bring him up to speed and maybe

552
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,230
afterwards because you know maybe in

553
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:51,520
case he was going to be involved again

554
00:25:57,210 --> 00:25:55,510
so we don't know how much but so far we

555
00:25:59,610 --> 00:25:57,220
do know that three documents have come

556
00:26:01,530 --> 00:25:59,620
out when it's a series of emails one is

557
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:01,540
one we're calling the Wilson document

558
00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:03,250
that's the second thing and that of

559
00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:06,280
course is the interview duck dr. Eric

560
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:10,120
Davis interviewing Vice Admiral Thomas

561
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Wilson and then the third one is the

562
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:16,090
letter from Bigelow to dr. Edgar

563
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:18,610
Mitchell on knids letterhead so those

564
00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:20,530
are the three we know about at this

565
00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:23,590
point now I didn't know about these

566
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:26,020
other two as of Saturday I had not

567
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:29,590
caught the story of and I made this

568
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:31,690
clear to Chan I was unaware of the email

569
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:33,850
saying I mean since then I started to

570
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:36,070
get aware of it of course I now looked

571
00:26:42,170 --> 00:26:39,190
at it you know but initially I did not

572
00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:42,180
know that part all I know is here's this

573
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:45,190
interview notes people were calling it

574
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:47,410
transcription but it's not active it's

575
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:50,590
not a word-for-word transcription it is

576
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:54,070
clearly notes so parts of it read almost

577
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:56,970
like a transcription but it's really dr.

578
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:01,320
Eric Davis's notes of that interview so

579
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:07,090
so I I see that on Saturday and I read

580
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,850
it and instantly someone something jumps

581
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:12,400
out at me and and in talking now

582
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:14,890
extensively with Grant Cameron for many

583
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,170
many hours on the phone Grant said it is

584
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:20,080
the thing that immediately jumped out at

585
00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:25,150
him over a year ago at about a year and

586
00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:27,460
a half ago at the same conference where

587
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:30,280
Grant was given these documents by James

588
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:34,270
Whitney which was not last years but the

589
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:38,500
previous year Starworks conference put

590
00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:41,830
on by pal Eris that that's where he gave

591
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:44,020
these to grant Pryor just prior to us

592
00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:45,730
leaving the hotel for him and I think

593
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,920
you know grant was looking at him on the

594
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:49,600
shuttle to the airport it's my

595
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:50,860
understanding but

596
00:28:00,500 --> 00:27:56,490
Arlis that's when he for some and and

597
00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:00,510
and at that same conference I had become

598
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:03,280
involved with grant camera and sharing

599
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:06,700
research had heard him reference some

600
00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:10,390
other documents and a history of what

601
00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:12,220
we're calling the working group or more

602
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:14,500
accurately the advanced theoretical

603
00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:17,620
physics working group or the AP working

604
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:20,200
group or the AP group okay this is all

605
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:21,730
gonna matter here in a minute

606
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:26,559
that that I decided or not just me i

607
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:28,660
Randi coping and I it was kind of my

608
00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:31,090
idea but I called Randy and I Randy

609
00:28:36,539 --> 00:28:33,880
grants onto this he's following it on

610
00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:36,549
his website presidential UFO or whatever

611
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:39,640
you know Whitehouse UFO he's got this

612
00:28:43,289 --> 00:28:41,410
history he knows part of it not all that

613
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:43,299
and he's right but we have more and we

614
00:28:46,919 --> 00:28:45,460
can help push his research way down the

615
00:28:49,620 --> 00:28:46,929
road and I think you know I love grant

616
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:49,630
he's a friend let's share this Randy

617
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:53,200
agree so I came with a full set of our

618
00:29:00,000 --> 00:28:56,590
complete timeline of research up to that

619
00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:00,010
minute up to that day to that conference

620
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:02,620
I was attending anyways but when I saw

621
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:04,030
grant was going to be a speaker it was

622
00:29:09,659 --> 00:29:06,010
the perfect opportunity to share that

623
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:09,669
with him since then grant and I have

624
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:11,910
been in communication and sharing

625
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:15,250
research we were kind of calling

626
00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:16,809
ourselves research partners for a while

627
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:18,280
but not really I just you know more

628
00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:20,049
loosely than that so just so people kind

629
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:23,320
understand so I knew when grant thought

630
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:24,730
or when he told me when he saw that

631
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:27,190
document this immediately jumped out he

632
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:29,049
had the same reaction to it that I did

633
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:32,490
and then he went on to read more and

634
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,830
what do you mean that I wanted to print

635
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:40,720
it out and have in front of me but there

636
00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:48,910
is early on Wilson is saying to - Eric -

637
00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:54,400
Eric Davis he is saying okay well both

638
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,380
Shannon said I can trust you you're an

639
00:30:00,690 --> 00:29:59,200
upstanding guy okay so it's the comments

640
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:00,700
regarding oke Oke

641
00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:03,910
you know this last name initiate in and

642
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:04,270
the way

643
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:06,130
so okay so anyone who's seen the

644
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:09,370
document is seen that now if I started

645
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:11,410
to hear about this and here are people

646
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:13,690
commenting and eventually the first I

647
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:15,850
think it was on Sunday was the first

648
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:19,929
post put up by Richard Dolan referencing

649
00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:22,210
this and it's this infamous smoking gun

650
00:30:26,669 --> 00:30:24,190
video that he did yeah that Richard

651
00:30:28,049 --> 00:30:26,679
don't matter and then I saw that but I

652
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:28,059
thought wait a second everyone I

653
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:30,010
everything I'm seeing out there is

654
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:32,110
addressing different parts of this but

655
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:33,490
no one's addressing this

656
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:35,410
no one's addressing the significance of

657
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:38,530
this and I contacted grant and he said

658
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:40,330
yeah you know and I'm like this is weird

659
00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:45,580
you know and and so I suggested to grant

660
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:47,800
I suggested to attorney Daniel Sheehan

661
00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:50,530
and to Randy and some other people wait

662
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:52,390
a second I've got this Randy and I have

663
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:55,330
this missing part I think I should jump

664
00:31:00,810 --> 00:30:56,770
in and add it because I think it's

665
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:00,820
significant which is that it's face it

666
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:04,600
says it says like here it is

667
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:07,510
Admiral Wilson telling Eric okay I know

668
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:08,410
why you're here

669
00:31:13,049 --> 00:31:11,470
Oh cannon told me all about the group he

670
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:13,059
told me about the history told me about

671
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:16,240
the meeting in 85 at BDM he mentions

672
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:18,790
that in the interview he's saying at the

673
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:22,540
meeting at BDM corporation which is in

674
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:24,370
Virginia which happened in 85 he's

675
00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:27,070
mentioning that and he says the AP - 10

676
00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:27,640
group

677
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:29,620
well as soon as I say AP I know that's

678
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:31,900
the abyss physics group I do not know

679
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:34,270
what the - 10 means in all honesty I've

680
00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:35,800
never come across that in my research

681
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:37,300
that is new to me

682
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:39,910
it may mean 10 people were at the

683
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:42,370
initial meeting maybe it may mean that

684
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,770
the BDM file fix your file room where

685
00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:47,679
they did this was room 10 oh I don't

686
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:51,220
know unless to speculate about what -

687
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:53,470
can means but it says the AP - 10 group

688
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:55,510
and then it goes on to say with the

689
00:32:00,120 --> 00:31:58,210
initials J a and I think and then

690
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:00,130
Shannon saying I think J is a liar and

691
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,290
all this kind of stuff but blenny one

692
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:04,480
who's read it most researchers right

693
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:06,250
right away know that the course that

694
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:08,470
refers to John Alexander of course yeah

695
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:11,170
yeah and John Alexander wrote in two of

696
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,710
his books most notably in UFOs myths and

697
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:17,200
conspiracies about his involvement in

698
00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:18,190
forming this

699
00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:26,250
I have to interrupt you here for a

700
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:28,630
second Melinda I want to make it clear

701
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:34,240
that we are not saying that that is John

702
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:37,390
Alexander as a fact that that is

703
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,170
allegedly him because that is definitely

704
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:42,880
one thing I don't want to do with these

705
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:45,940
documents we don't have any proof that

706
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:50,830
is him and I I don't want to have to

707
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:54,330
deal with any repercussions of that okay

708
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,000
that's not no I understand I understand

709
00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:01,140
okay I'll roll with you there but any

710
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:03,520
seasoned researcher knowing this story

711
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:05,830
certainly grant I and all the names I've

712
00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:07,930
already mentioned knew right away who

713
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:10,270
was because again now we can state this

714
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:12,610
on the rock on the record John Alexander

715
00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:14,830
publishes his involvement in the group

716
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:17,260
first it comes out most notably in a

717
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:19,510
book by Howard bloom about the history

718
00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:21,340
the group and he mentioned some of the

719
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:22,990
names and something about it and then it

720
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,910
meant an 85 and you know so the first

721
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:26,320
one to really write about it or

722
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:28,990
publicize it in a very open sense that

723
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:30,670
had been talked about in some closed

724
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:32,950
manner but openly was Howard gloom and

725
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:36,340
then as as information gut tossed around

726
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:39,100
in ufology about this over the years

727
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:43,510
that I think that prompted you know John

728
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:45,370
has entered to write about it in his

729
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:46,930
book right like a chapter on it so you

730
00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:48,850
know here's the background and I was the

731
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:50,920
director of it so he talks about things

732
00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:53,110
up so we could certainly fight that that

733
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:56,020
is clearly in John's into this book he's

734
00:33:59,760 --> 00:33:56,830
talked about it

735
00:34:01,470 --> 00:33:59,770
yes and I also started I'm sorry to

736
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:01,480
interrupt you can if you feel like you

737
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:03,370
want to say John Alexander's name please

738
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,350
do so freely just please use the word

739
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:07,120
alleged that's all I ask

740
00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:10,690
okay because this was my group he wrote

741
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:12,520
about it he admits that he's published

742
00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:14,110
it that's not a secret

743
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:18,220
okay but I knew about this group many

744
00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:20,530
many years before that many years before

745
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:23,020
how it bloomed is did I'm not I just

746
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:24,700
can't say before he did but before he

747
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,950
wrote about before he published it Randy

748
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:28,960
and I had been following this and were

749
00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:30,770
well aware

750
00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:34,040
uh Bob Brown the original producer of

751
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:36,020
international UFO Congress before it

752
00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:38,710
went over to open minds and then now to

753
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:41,030
Alejandro Rojas and Karen Baird but

754
00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:44,270
before that when it was just solely open

755
00:34:51,460 --> 00:34:48,220
minds owned by genre and and before that

756
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:51,470
for many years of course for I can give

757
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:54,580
us 25 years it was owned and operated by

758
00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:58,640
initially Bob Brown and Colonel Wendell

759
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,150
Stevens

760
00:35:03,329 --> 00:35:01,280
until Wendell's passing and then there

761
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,339
was still a board of directors of

762
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:05,359
international researchers and bought

763
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:07,970
involved on its board of directors back

764
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:12,730
in the early 90s they had Randy and I

765
00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:15,830
give a presentation at International UFO

766
00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:18,470
Congress about our research up to that

767
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,839
date you know and I laugh now because I

768
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:22,160
said it seemed like we're getting a

769
00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:24,290
komal a you know accumulation that this

770
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,640
is our research that's what we'd come up

771
00:35:30,010 --> 00:35:28,160
with and it was like a year or two after

772
00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:30,020
the fact you know that we're finally

773
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:32,540
going public with it little did I know

774
00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:35,750
that that would be the very beginning of

775
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:38,300
what has continued up into this

776
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:41,450
conversation right now you know so going

777
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:44,089
back to reading the Wilson document that

778
00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:47,990
hit me like a ton of bricks and I think

779
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:50,540
it's extremely significant for a number

780
00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:53,750
of reasons it's certainly significant to

781
00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:55,790
Randy and I because here is a total

782
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:59,330
separate document possibly very

783
00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:02,960
important very possibly allegedly you

784
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:04,460
know what you're just saying out of the

785
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:07,700
files of Edgar Mitchell who was copied

786
00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:09,830
on these because of his involvement with

787
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:11,720
knids at the time it all makes perfect

788
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:18,560
logic sense and that and that after his

789
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,400
passing someone took it upon themselves

790
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:24,160
possibly at his request

791
00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:27,050
probably not but someone else who knew

792
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,150
the importance and knew the timeliness

793
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:32,720
now with the current disclosure story to

794
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:35,210
come out with this and certainly knowing

795
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:37,550
his involvement in the current story

796
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:39,770
which I can explain more in a minute to

797
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:41,240
connect and you between this really

798
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:43,580
quick Richard Dolan has said he saw a

799
00:36:46,330 --> 00:36:44,330
couple page

800
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,340
of these documents more than ten years

801
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,560
ago which is well before Edgar Mitchell

802
00:36:52,990 --> 00:36:51,200
passed away I'm not I'm not aware that

803
00:36:54,610 --> 00:36:53,000
he's saying more than ten years ago if

804
00:36:56,620 --> 00:36:54,620
he has said that like that's news to me

805
00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:56,630
okay I thought it was more recent with I

806
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,220
thought he said like ten months ago

807
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:00,560
my understanding is Richard Dolan was

808
00:37:06,910 --> 00:37:03,770
handed two pages ten months ago which

809
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:06,920
was well after when Grant was given his

810
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:09,410
set but grant for a lot of reasons

811
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:11,810
mostly at Michael's directions sat on

812
00:37:16,810 --> 00:37:14,630
his we understand that

813
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:16,820
Richard sat on his he only had two pages

814
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:18,110
he was wondering if more was going to

815
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:19,730
come out he didn't know what to make of

816
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:22,760
it he was just kind of waiting to see

817
00:37:26,170 --> 00:37:24,680
you know is there more what do I do you

818
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:26,180
know kind of thing and he only had two

819
00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:28,250
pages of it is what he says which I

820
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:30,740
believe him and I'm fairly certain he

821
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:34,010
says like ten months ago okay so going

822
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:36,530
back to so that paragraph immediately

823
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,540
hits me just like it did Grant when he

824
00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:40,640
was handed it leaving the Star Wars

825
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,440
conference year-and-a-half ago or two

826
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:44,240
years ago yeah so the same thing so

827
00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:47,030
Stuart strikes me and I'm like wait a

828
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:49,190
second and I instantly saw up Shannon's

829
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:51,710
name I had known about that name and its

830
00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:54,920
existence in the group prior okay we

831
00:37:59,860 --> 00:37:57,260
Randy and I'd compiled from multiple

832
00:38:01,720 --> 00:37:59,870
sources a list of names that we were

833
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,730
certain of and so a few others that were

834
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:04,640
probable and so on Howard bloom release

835
00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:07,310
names it verified what we had and then

836
00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:09,230
John Alexander which added a few more

837
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,360
names and it verified what we had in

838
00:38:17,530 --> 00:38:13,280
conjunction with others that neither of

839
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:17,540
them have mentioned if you've got all

840
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:19,550
this couldn't also a hoax or have gotten

841
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:22,130
all this and ginned up this particular

842
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:24,260
document this Wilson document and it

843
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:25,610
just happened to fall into the hands of

844
00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:26,930
Edgar Mitchell I mean he's got to keep

845
00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:28,670
that but just because it was in his

846
00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:33,830
possession doesn't make it I really

847
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:37,100
we really feel Frank you know and and

848
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:39,260
I'm talking about all those names I've

849
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:42,290
mentioned very feel very certain you

850
00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:46,400
know that that especially with Grant

851
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:49,580
releasing the the third letter that this

852
00:38:55,810 --> 00:38:52,580
is from the files of Edgar Mitchell who

853
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:55,820
got copied while with knids on knids

854
00:38:58,859 --> 00:38:57,470
correspondence at the time that's not a

855
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:58,869
big mystery

856
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:02,240
copied on the course on it no no it's

857
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:04,670
not a problem it's not a problem but the

858
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:06,410
Wilson document is the one that really

859
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:09,710
has the eioping material and and this

860
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:13,849
speaks to why Eric was there Eric was

861
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,840
currently paid by Bigelow and part of he

862
00:39:22,810 --> 00:39:20,000
was he was actually on the board for

863
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:22,820
knids at the time so Eric was involved

864
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:28,010
in this and so when when Admiral Wilson

865
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,710
is saying ok an intone me all about the

866
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:32,480
history of the group I know about the

867
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:34,820
history I know about the meeting at BDM

868
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:37,490
and he's letting Eric know it's ok to

869
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:41,630
talk about this folk clued me in ok so

870
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,670
it's very obviously saying Oh clued me

871
00:39:48,849 --> 00:39:46,160
in I know about the history now what was

872
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:48,859
news to Randy and I it's yes we know

873
00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:51,050
about Eric's involvement with niz I

874
00:39:58,990 --> 00:39:55,790
never had anything saying that Eric had

875
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,000
involvement in the working group which

876
00:40:05,050 --> 00:40:02,000
goes back to 85 but here Wilson is

877
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:05,060
saying oh Shannon told me I know all

878
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:07,070
about it in other words he's - he's

879
00:40:10,750 --> 00:40:08,990
letting Eric know I know about the

880
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:10,760
history and all about it suggesting that

881
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:13,310
at the very least and not just

882
00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:15,890
suggesting it absolutely stating and it

883
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:16,280
worked

884
00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:18,650
greatly implied that Eric knew all about

885
00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:20,060
the history knew all about it

886
00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:22,580
and that's also implying that maybe

887
00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:25,880
Erika's involved I that's a reach but I

888
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:28,339
can say okay he's clearly letting Eric

889
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:31,550
know I know about the history I and and

890
00:40:35,140 --> 00:40:33,710
the reference to Jay a you know there

891
00:40:40,810 --> 00:40:35,150
you go who was director of the group

892
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:40,820
okay so that is Wilson saying I agree to

893
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:41,630
talk to you

894
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,210
Oh Janet said I can trust you your good

895
00:40:49,329 --> 00:40:46,880
guy you know security oaths blah blah

896
00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:49,339
blah you're totally reliable and that

897
00:40:55,329 --> 00:40:52,700
you know all this part which is the

898
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:55,339
history of the group so suddenly for the

899
00:41:00,130 --> 00:40:56,900
first time in Randy's in my research

900
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:00,140
there's a link linking Eric to that

901
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,510
knowledge okay if not involvement at

902
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:04,160
least to knowing its history but that

903
00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:07,130
would make sense being his activity with

904
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:09,980
MS and all the way to the present with

905
00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:12,020
his working with hell and it's

906
00:41:16,090 --> 00:41:13,640
dr. Adam project going to everything

907
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,100
that he would know all that is not a

908
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:18,800
mystery but what makes this significant

909
00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:20,450
to at least Randy and I here's a piece

910
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,660
of documentation supporting that so it's

911
00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:26,720
not just theory that is what is so

912
00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:28,580
important about the Wilson document are

913
00:41:34,810 --> 00:41:31,220
all three of these dots is it shows the

914
00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:34,820
depth of knowledge and interest by these

915
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:38,180
individuals and a lot of things that

916
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:40,490
have been speculated at for yours or

917
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:43,610
hinted to we now have documentation in

918
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:47,090
support of so these become now evidence

919
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:49,850
to back up what many people already knew

920
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,910
but that's I'm gonna ask the question I

921
00:41:59,110 --> 00:41:55,280
don't think that equals evidence

922
00:42:02,140 --> 00:41:59,120
necessarily I'll tell you why if these

923
00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:02,150
documents did come from Edgar Mitchell's

924
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:05,180
files which by the way do we have

925
00:42:10,210 --> 00:42:08,450
evidence that they came from his files

926
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:10,220
that's just a yes or no question do we

927
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:11,960
have evidence that these letters can't

928
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:14,030
the Bigelow letter the Bigelow letter is

929
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:17,810
addressed to him I'm asking about say

930
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:20,630
for example the alien autopsy memo and

931
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:23,210
also The Smoking Gun don't because

932
00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:26,450
because because Edgar Mitchell is is in

933
00:42:30,670 --> 00:42:28,550
that list of people that would have died

934
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:30,680
no but you know that wouldn't be feed on

935
00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:34,040
stuff but do we have I know that but we

936
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:35,990
have Edgar Mitchell was a member of knit

937
00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:36,890
that's not a secret

938
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:39,500
I mean as a consulting member of MIT I'd

939
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:41,990
never asked that I asked do we have

940
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:46,220
evidence if these letters came from the

941
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:49,430
estate of Edgar Mitchell his files we

942
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:53,330
have we have evidence in that one of the

943
00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:55,910
documents is address but it's not the

944
00:43:00,370 --> 00:42:58,190
alien autopsy doc and it's not the

945
00:43:05,170 --> 00:43:00,380
smoking no doc I know it right okay so

946
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:05,180
we were given I was given a grant at the

947
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:08,930
same time together I understand that but

948
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:17,180
let's be clear there has been what

949
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,440
you're saying and I know you're trying

950
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:20,750
to be clear but I think I need to move a

951
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:23,720
little thank you because I go Christian

952
00:43:28,570 --> 00:43:25,730
does not mean I'm belittling

953
00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:28,580
the reason yes okay and I guess you can

954
00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:31,220
I'm sorry it is because a seat this is

955
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:32,900
the thing I want to make this clear to

956
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:34,250
everybody who's listening to this

957
00:43:40,990 --> 00:43:37,940
broadcast when a researcher asks for

958
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:41,000
evidence there should be nothing wrong

959
00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:41,900
with that

960
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:44,980
now when I ask whether there's evidence

961
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,070
regarding the alien autopsy doc and the

962
00:43:57,070 --> 00:43:51,200
smoking gun doc also known as a core

963
00:43:59,800 --> 00:43:57,080
secret stock that Michael J Hall went

964
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:59,810
ahead and went over with us a few times

965
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:01,430
I think in three different broadcasts

966
00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:03,710
actually three different shows if people

967
00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:05,300
don't know what they are I'll go ahead

968
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:07,100
and provide links to those later in our

969
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,450
broadcast that smoking gun talk details

970
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:14,480
a journal of Eric Davis talking about

971
00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:15,980
certain things and then in the middle

972
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:17,990
and ejected in the middle of that 15 or

973
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:21,710
17 page Journal allegedly written by

974
00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:24,650
Eric Davis there is a letter allegedly

975
00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:28,280
written by Miller to Eric Davis and that

976
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:31,160
doc and the alien autopsy doc which

977
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:34,580
allegedly was a series of emails by kit

978
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:38,810
green : okay all right okay and I chose

979
00:44:43,330 --> 00:44:41,450
your thing there's no evidence to PI and

980
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:43,340
I want to add it to the evidence that I

981
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:46,130
have so let's dial this man let me to

982
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:48,140
say I don't ask me to speculate on

983
00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:49,970
things I don't I'm not asked all I can

984
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,870
say in third in grants possession is

985
00:44:58,780 --> 00:44:56,480
addressed to Edgar Mitchell right yeah I

986
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,790
know gentlemen who knew Edgar Mitch look

987
00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:01,760
closely I thought who had conversations

988
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:04,070
with them regarding these mainly raised

989
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:05,060
and renowned us

990
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,550
I just asked ray Hernandez says I'm

991
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:09,440
aware of these things all being in

992
00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:12,740
Edgar's possession we talked about them

993
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:15,590
Edgar talked about his communications

994
00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:18,560
with nibs and he and he says different

995
00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:21,350
absolutely it has been with objects that

996
00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:25,100
air that and that dr. Mitchell had in

997
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:26,030
his possession

998
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:29,630
okay so there's an internal logic here

999
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:31,970
I'm just saying this is what it looks

1000
00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:34,490
like I'm okay I know what you're saying

1001
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:36,830
I can't produce that let me get back to

1002
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:39,470
the evidence that I do have okay

1003
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,810
had I had a question and that is part

1004
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:44,240
this part and parcel of my question if

1005
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:47,810
there is no evidence to provide that the

1006
00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:50,330
alien autopsy doc and the smoking gun

1007
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:55,369
doc was actually retrieved through like

1008
00:45:59,500 --> 00:45:57,710
if there's no proof of that or evidence

1009
00:46:03,490 --> 00:45:59,510
that they were actually retrieved from

1010
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:03,500
Edgar Mitchell's files or his estate I

1011
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:08,570
mean real evidence okay okay that's

1012
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:10,609
we're talking about but again I don't

1013
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:11,990
know so I can just sit here and say I

1014
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:13,609
don't know I'm not on the interviewed so

1015
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:16,490
it's I I don't know I still have to make

1016
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:18,380
my point I when I'm clear I don't know

1017
00:46:23,790 --> 00:46:20,390
so okay all I can say it's the third

1018
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:23,800
piece that was given all as one grouping

1019
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:27,470
okay what clearly states that it was

1020
00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:32,960
sent to Edgar Mitchell I think that

1021
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:35,720
certain range being familiar right okay

1022
00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:36,890
so you have just right here named as

1023
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:37,430
yourself

1024
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:39,190
you should have mine Rey Hernandez

1025
00:46:43,810 --> 00:46:42,020
familiarity with his closeness with dr.

1026
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:43,820
Mitchell to know that these documents

1027
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:45,740
were something that Eric Mitchell had

1028
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,880
can I say anything about the Wilson

1029
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:52,160
document though did he say that was the

1030
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:53,599
kind of thing that he knew that thank

1031
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:56,630
you yeah yes yes without it he went to

1032
00:47:00,609 --> 00:46:58,490
the history because he was so close to

1033
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:00,619
earth Mitchell he had interviewed Eric

1034
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:02,510
Mitchell on the record multiple times

1035
00:47:08,339 --> 00:47:05,030
about that meeting with Greer and about

1036
00:47:13,450 --> 00:47:08,349
Eric Mitchell's personal relationship to

1037
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,460
Willard Miller okay so so he knows all

1038
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:15,440
about that he interviewed and had many

1039
00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:19,010
discussions with dr. Mitchell regarding

1040
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,580
these things

1041
00:47:26,349 --> 00:47:22,000
okay I'm gonna stick to I have

1042
00:47:29,530 --> 00:47:26,359
documentation from about that original

1043
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:29,540
BDM meeting from one of the individuals

1044
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:32,450
who was present at it who I became

1045
00:47:37,930 --> 00:47:34,910
friends with I don't mind saying his

1046
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:37,940
name now it's late late Jack out dr.

1047
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:42,770
Jack out okay and he and and after being

1048
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:45,770
his friend upon his passing I don't want

1049
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,790
to go into great deal here but another

1050
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:51,680
friend of mine and I doing research on

1051
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:52,810
this

1052
00:48:01,410 --> 00:47:57,760
we're given a file that he had had at

1053
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:01,420
home basically to go through now he had

1054
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:04,410
a big interest and involvement in

1055
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:08,050
psychokinesis and was a researcher and

1056
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:14,170
scientist in that etc he is a space

1057
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:17,110
engineer scientist heading up projects

1058
00:48:22,860 --> 00:48:19,450
for I'll go and say it for Boeing or

1059
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:22,870
aerospace at the time and etc now my

1060
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:25,240
friend and I were mostly interested at

1061
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:28,630
that moment in the documents the

1062
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:30,190
training manuals and the stuff he has

1063
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:33,880
had on psychokinesis and his family knew

1064
00:48:39,870 --> 00:48:36,910
that and provided some stuff to us but

1065
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:39,880
my friend knowing enough about what

1066
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:42,040
Randy and I had already come across with

1067
00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:45,150
the working group for many years found

1068
00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:49,630
certain documents that jumped out naming

1069
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:52,750
specifically the meeting at BDM some

1070
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,260
handwritten notes by Jack an agenda of

1071
00:49:02,580 --> 00:48:58,960
the meeting minutes for the meeting and

1072
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,590
overhead projection transparency that

1073
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:05,200
had been made into copies that jacket

1074
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:07,090
either copied to transparencies and/or

1075
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,140
at the time of the meeting had been

1076
00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:09,760
given to the plastic things weren't in

1077
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:11,380
there you know because it was back in 85

1078
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:12,730
there's no such thing as PowerPoint you

1079
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,580
know so he was given probably for the

1080
00:49:22,290 --> 00:49:17,440
meeting a copy said of the transparency

1081
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:22,300
so and and the state about the group its

1082
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:24,850
objectives and motives and everything

1083
00:49:31,770 --> 00:49:28,290
which now come into play because that

1084
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:31,780
meeting specifically and oak Shannon was

1085
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:34,440
in attendance that is all specifically

1086
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:37,210
mentioned by Wilson in the interview

1087
00:49:42,350 --> 00:49:40,030
with with dr. with dr. Davis so it

1088
00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:42,360
specifically mentioned and and I have

1089
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:45,340
the documentation saying at least that

1090
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:48,250
meeting happened okay

1091
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:50,950
multiple things from it you know that

1092
00:49:56,730 --> 00:49:53,940
that that had happened that was now

1093
00:49:58,770 --> 00:49:56,740
Randy and I do not believe that that was

1094
00:50:01,880 --> 00:49:58,780
necessary the absolute kickoff of this

1095
00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:01,890
group they may have existed before that

1096
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:05,080
and I can get into this whole big story

1097
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:06,400
of what we have that goes

1098
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:07,930
or that but it almost doesn't matter but

1099
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:10,810
that they these are regrouped or

1100
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:14,280
formulated and and came up with plans

1101
00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:16,390
and everything you know like maybe it

1102
00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:19,030
was just kind of a regather inori

1103
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:21,100
branding or you know you know but

1104
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:24,430
kicking off a new a new you know new

1105
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:29,080
projects in this meeting in 85 and and

1106
00:50:33,690 --> 00:50:32,170
so when this Wilson document when the

1107
00:50:36,210 --> 00:50:33,700
Wilson interview mentioned that I

1108
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:36,220
realized I have documentation to at

1109
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:37,900
least support that that happen

1110
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:41,700
now I do know that the working group

1111
00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:44,890
morphed over the time people came in and

1112
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:47,080
out and it went on for years

1113
00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:49,930
and it got Bigelow involved and Bigelow

1114
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:52,600
was funding projects and things these

1115
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,650
guys were doing and and then it became

1116
00:51:02,370 --> 00:50:59,440
at one point missed so there was kind of

1117
00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:02,380
a morphing in tune it's of course anyone

1118
00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:03,880
who studied the history of the current

1119
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:06,580
disclosure story most that knids morphed

1120
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:09,670
into bass bass worked into a SAP and a

1121
00:51:14,850 --> 00:51:12,790
tip and and then begat you know to the

1122
00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:14,860
Stars Academy so there's there's an

1123
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:16,660
overlap it's not like one ends one

1124
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:19,210
begins I actually have a timeline in

1125
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:21,610
that presentation that I gave you guys

1126
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:23,700
believe for the 40 year history

1127
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:26,410
presentation where I have actually

1128
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:29,740
grafted this out with what seems to be

1129
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:32,710
about when projects and groups began

1130
00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:35,170
when they might have loosely ended are

1131
00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:37,060
being quoted by members of ending versus

1132
00:51:42,030 --> 00:51:39,460
them still doing stuff and I have it

1133
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:42,040
grafted out but even if you tasted the

1134
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:44,170
dates that these guys say it existed

1135
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:46,810
till here there's overlap wasn't like

1136
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:48,430
mids end in a year later but you know

1137
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:51,070
bass begins there being clearly

1138
00:51:58,110 --> 00:51:54,790
overlapped by you know but here's even

1139
00:52:01,710 --> 00:51:58,120
clearer overlap so so I have that

1140
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:01,720
grafted out and then it's but it's you

1141
00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:03,550
know where do I get my daddy you know

1142
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,430
Randy and eyes very detailed research

1143
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:09,040
for 28 years and it's not it's not a

1144
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:11,770
little data it's a lot so and my

1145
00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:13,630
interviewing individuals involved I

1146
00:52:19,230 --> 00:52:16,660
ended up becoming friends with some of

1147
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:19,240
the individuals involved which goes to

1148
00:52:24,299 --> 00:52:21,460
this very

1149
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,309
and at times they were guarded in

1150
00:52:32,819 --> 00:52:26,559
answering questions and at times they've

1151
00:52:35,579 --> 00:52:32,829
been very candid and and so so again

1152
00:52:37,710 --> 00:52:35,589
this jumped out at me at that point I

1153
00:52:41,370 --> 00:52:37,720
talked to some of the key researchers

1154
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:41,380
and they said you need to add your too

1155
00:52:45,779 --> 00:52:43,930
thin sense on this and what you know at

1156
00:52:48,329 --> 00:52:45,789
least that I have the proof of that

1157
00:52:51,059 --> 00:52:48,339
meeting because why is that important

1158
00:52:52,589 --> 00:52:51,069
relationship to the Wilson document it's

1159
00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:52,599
important because it speaks to the

1160
00:53:03,809 --> 00:52:55,720
motive of why Eric is there literally

1161
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:03,819
his and again you know you just to jump

1162
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:05,890
in really quick what it seems like is

1163
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:08,410
that you're looking at to validate these

1164
00:53:11,789 --> 00:53:10,089
documents and then not looking at them

1165
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:11,799
or live the Wilson document at all

1166
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:14,770
critically no no that's not true don't

1167
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:15,490
even go there

1168
00:53:24,809 --> 00:53:22,720
came forward stop right no you're

1169
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:24,819
reading stuff in and anyone who knows me

1170
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,230
well thank you and I haven't talked

1171
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:31,359
about this you don't know what my actual

1172
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:32,770
feelings and thoughts are on this so

1173
00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:34,990
please please don't go there I am saying

1174
00:53:41,370 --> 00:53:39,160
that I asked others I said I have a

1175
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:41,380
piece of information regarding that BDM

1176
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:43,740
meeting happening and so other people

1177
00:53:48,089 --> 00:53:46,510
said including Daniel Sheehan said I

1178
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:48,099
think you should come forward with that

1179
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:50,230
I think it's important because I can say

1180
00:53:57,029 --> 00:53:52,750
that that happens okay now I can also

1181
00:53:59,760 --> 00:53:57,039
say that speaks to the motivation of why

1182
00:54:02,970 --> 00:53:59,770
Eric would have been there because it

1183
00:54:06,089 --> 00:54:02,980
was done by knit they said interview

1184
00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:06,099
this guy and Shannon is making reference

1185
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:07,990
or Wilson is to the working group to say

1186
00:54:12,089 --> 00:54:09,849
oh Shannon told me about the whole

1187
00:54:14,099 --> 00:54:12,099
history I know so it's okay its Affairs

1188
00:54:14,609 --> 00:54:14,109
we can talk about that I know about it

1189
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:14,619
already

1190
00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:18,730
Oh clued me in and then obviously Wilson

1191
00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:20,740
is bringing that up because that speaks

1192
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:23,740
to the motivation of why eric is there

1193
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:27,220
and why would he have typed up his notes

1194
00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:29,500
from this it's because he knows he's

1195
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:33,880
going to share copies with MS

1196
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:35,950
sent him to the meeting he's going to

1197
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:38,890
share them copies and I have I've talked

1198
00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:41,350
to five six key researchers on this and

1199
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:43,150
as soon as I bring this up they say

1200
00:54:47,580 --> 00:54:45,310
absolutely that totally speaks to the

1201
00:54:50,340 --> 00:54:47,590
motivation it makes perfect congruence

1202
00:54:53,130 --> 00:54:50,350
sense what would have put him there was

1203
00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:53,140
mid sent him you know to do this okay

1204
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:55,030
because of oak Shannon saying hey this

1205
00:54:59,550 --> 00:54:56,650
guy wants to talk to you because it was

1206
00:55:02,940 --> 00:54:59,560
years later the original meeting and and

1207
00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:02,950
and Wilson's digging into stuff

1208
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:05,380
obviously happened over the many years

1209
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:08,140
preceding that so this interview didn't

1210
00:55:14,580 --> 00:55:12,940
happen till 2002 but 2002 was when knids

1211
00:55:18,090 --> 00:55:14,590
was very active so it makes perfect

1212
00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:18,100
sense okay mids is active you know and

1213
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:19,840
and then baths so bathroom needs are

1214
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:22,150
active there's a direct connection here

1215
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:23,950
basses active at the things I you know

1216
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,590
this is active at the point that Eric

1217
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:29,440
goes and does this and it's no mystery

1218
00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:31,330
it's well established that Eric was a

1219
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:33,640
member of knit so so there you go so

1220
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:36,790
they sent him he interviews the guy he

1221
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:40,000
makes notes because he they're you know

1222
00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:41,430
that's what he's gonna give everyone

1223
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:44,140
Aaron is also a member of a Pheo the

1224
00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:45,820
association of former intelligence

1225
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:48,790
officers and that is the imported reason

1226
00:55:56,460 --> 00:55:52,690
for the the Admiral for being there I'm

1227
00:55:58,890 --> 00:55:56,470
a Wilson well but Admiral Wilson is

1228
00:56:00,840 --> 00:55:58,900
saying okay Shannon says I should talk

1229
00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:00,850
to you and he's talking all about the

1230
00:56:05,310 --> 00:56:02,950
working group so it there's it actually

1231
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,320
says in the document I know about the

1232
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:06,880
working group he's basically saying I

1233
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:07,810
know why you're here

1234
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:13,210
I mean clearly Wilson in Vegas on the

1235
00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:15,220
date have you been able to do that I

1236
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:19,780
don't know anything about that well a

1237
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:22,690
place tonight well okay no it doesn't

1238
00:56:27,050 --> 00:56:24,370
place him there and what I said was that

1239
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:27,060
there Eric is a member of a Pheo and

1240
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:30,250
that is the reason that that Wilson

1241
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:32,410
gives in the notes that he is in Vegas

1242
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:35,920
part to help out have now now here's

1243
00:56:45,930 --> 00:56:39,130
another thing I have additional evidence

1244
00:56:47,730 --> 00:56:45,940
in that what I went on in great depth

1245
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:47,740
about and I don't wish to cut

1246
00:56:52,859 --> 00:56:50,500
much time about it tonight it's last

1247
00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:52,869
night in the last hour and a half of

1248
00:56:59,250 --> 00:56:57,849
Dave Scott radio program called you know

1249
00:57:01,800 --> 00:56:59,260
with it spaced out written about radio

1250
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:01,810
it's baked out ready with Dave Scott for

1251
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:04,300
the I was he wanted me on the whole time

1252
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:07,089
I had one of my UFO sighting tours with

1253
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:09,130
a large group of people when I tried to

1254
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,570
change the date so I'd be able to do

1255
00:57:15,630 --> 00:57:13,119
this with them these people and for me

1256
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:15,640
that was their only night to town and

1257
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:17,890
that they came just to do my tour so of

1258
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:19,210
course I'm gonna do that for him

1259
00:57:24,089 --> 00:57:21,190
so I let Dave know okay I can only go on

1260
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:24,099
at the end I came on for the last about

1261
00:57:29,130 --> 00:57:26,290
an hour and a half last hour and a half

1262
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,140
and before that my research associate

1263
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:30,880
and dear friend Laurie and Fenton was on

1264
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:33,609
and as guests and they said is if you

1265
00:57:35,849 --> 00:57:35,470
get in I said if I can get in at 10:30 I

1266
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:35,859
will

1267
00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:37,930
the latest side come on as 11 and

1268
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:39,940
luckily I was able to call them at 10:30

1269
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:43,330
and get on and we talked all about my

1270
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:45,970
past relationship not past my current

1271
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:47,880
very current cuz I just talk to him

1272
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:51,280
whatever three days ago with Jim semi

1273
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:54,910
Dan and and how that came to be and why

1274
00:58:01,950 --> 00:57:58,690
that factors in I'm sure most people

1275
00:58:05,099 --> 00:58:01,960
following this have followed what Dolan

1276
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,109
is saying about this and his I believe

1277
00:58:10,109 --> 00:58:07,859
it's four videos now posted about it and

1278
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:10,119
then those are also transcribed and

1279
00:58:17,550 --> 00:58:15,369
written up on his website on but him and

1280
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:17,560
Tracy the in a couple of rich did

1281
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,990
Richard did by himself and a couple of

1282
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:22,200
them were with his wife Tracy on camera

1283
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,150
but in one of those he references that

1284
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,040
he had had a discussion without put off

1285
00:58:34,589 --> 00:58:30,480
of course to the Stars member and and

1286
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,599
and and working with you know their that

1287
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:36,400
his day-to-day business is

1288
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:38,170
bread-and-butter business is with Eric

1289
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:50,190
that's well established and and then we

1290
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,260
know Davis's involvement in the whole

1291
00:58:57,570 --> 00:58:55,359
current story as far as not directly as

1292
00:58:59,970 --> 00:58:57,580
a reward member for to the stars but as

1293
00:59:00,900 --> 00:58:59,980
an extended individual involved combined

1294
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:00,910
with the Adam

1295
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:03,310
project and the metamaterials and the

1296
00:59:08,430 --> 00:59:06,250
science are starting to do on possible

1297
00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:08,440
crash retrieved pieces and the atom

1298
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,360
project and as well as implants and

1299
00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:11,440
other things that they're looking into

1300
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:14,380
so that's kind of well established to

1301
00:59:23,610 --> 00:59:18,990
people following the story and and and

1302
00:59:25,890 --> 00:59:23,620
so how had spoken to Richard and then I

1303
00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:25,900
guess agreed to send him a paragraph

1304
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:28,660
through email that could be quoted and

1305
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:31,690
published but I don't have in front of

1306
00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:39,550
me but I agree with Richard well I would

1307
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:41,230
put off said was we're not going to

1308
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:43,210
comment on anything that might have been

1309
00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:44,050
classified

1310
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:47,140
regardless yeah but it was carefully it

1311
00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:50,050
is a well-crafted again agree with what

1312
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:52,120
Richard says here when you read it you

1313
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:53,800
kind of read between the lines it is a

1314
00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:54,910
well-crafted

1315
01:00:00,060 --> 00:59:57,400
you know kind of brilliant non-denial

1316
01:00:01,950 --> 01:00:00,070
they're not denying they're you know

1317
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:01,960
they're they're saying no comment yes

1318
01:00:07,350 --> 01:00:04,480
but it's the way they're saying it well

1319
01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:07,360
I ended up telling Richard I don't

1320
01:00:10,290 --> 01:00:09,790
necessarily agree it's a no they're not

1321
01:00:15,690 --> 01:00:10,300
commenting

1322
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:15,700
well that means no comment hey wait hang

1323
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:19,140
on Frank hang hang on the reason I agree

1324
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:23,290
with Richards assessment it's because I

1325
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:26,530
had a forty three minutes forty two and

1326
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:28,750
a half I think it's forty two point

1327
01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:31,530
thirty six or something you know

1328
01:00:38,340 --> 01:00:35,080
conversation on the phone with Jim semi

1329
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:38,350
van that was a forty three minute

1330
01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:43,450
version of exactly what Richard relayed

1331
01:00:48,110 --> 01:00:45,550
to me that his conversation was how and

1332
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:48,120
how and of course the email from house I

1333
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:51,400
had a forty three minute long version of

1334
01:00:59,810 --> 01:00:57,280
that which was a a non-denial okay at a

1335
01:01:04,170 --> 01:00:59,820
forty three minute long non-denial and

1336
01:01:09,350 --> 01:01:04,180
and but rich and I talked about this on

1337
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:09,360
Grant etc and it is appearing from the

1338
01:01:14,530 --> 01:01:13,510
reaction of to the stars of Eric of how

1339
01:01:18,340 --> 01:01:14,540
every

1340
01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:18,350
is that I jokingly said these guys you

1341
01:01:23,710 --> 01:01:20,420
know they circled the wagons and they

1342
01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:23,720
blocked arms and including Willard

1343
01:01:28,270 --> 01:01:25,640
Miller but they circled the wagons

1344
01:01:30,550 --> 01:01:28,280
locked arms and have a unanimous front

1345
01:01:32,410 --> 01:01:30,560
for their position of this and I

1346
01:01:34,090 --> 01:01:32,420
actually asked Jim send me then I said

1347
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,100
what's to the Stars physician says we

1348
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:37,520
don't have a disposition okay that's a

1349
01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:41,810
quote well another nation melon went

1350
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:43,640
further with Billy Cox when he said he

1351
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:47,290
thought that the the scenario of one

1352
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:49,790
contractor one aerospace contractor

1353
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:52,730
controlling such a thing was implausible

1354
01:01:58,450 --> 01:01:56,030
to him it was in the Billy Cox Chris

1355
01:02:00,730 --> 01:01:58,460
melon who said that Chris Miller Billy

1356
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:00,740
Cox yeah well okay but but basically

1357
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:04,310
these guys none of them are acting

1358
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:05,630
independent of each other in the

1359
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:08,720
response to this they Jim told me we had

1360
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:11,810
a meeting we talked about it and I said

1361
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,280
you don't have a position you know he'd

1362
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,960
get my I'm saying here you know he's

1363
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:16,160
saying we're gonna have a position I

1364
01:02:19,690 --> 01:02:17,270
know you had a meeting and you talked

1365
01:02:22,510 --> 01:02:19,700
about this you know you have obviously

1366
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,520
are concerned you know and I will go on

1367
01:02:28,060 --> 01:02:25,760
to say from from my conversation with

1368
01:02:30,430 --> 01:02:28,070
Jim the tone of his voice

1369
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:30,440
you know if there's reading between the

1370
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:33,230
lines of what how wrote there certainly

1371
01:02:38,050 --> 01:02:35,330
listening between the lines between the

1372
01:02:40,660 --> 01:02:38,060
phrases that Jim said and that they are

1373
01:02:42,250 --> 01:02:40,670
concerned they're obviously very good

1374
01:02:44,350 --> 01:02:42,260
sometimes you have to go what do you do

1375
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:44,360
research you need to go a little bit

1376
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:46,010
beyond reading in there and Elijah and

1377
01:02:52,750 --> 01:02:49,850
actually do some research we've done

1378
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:52,760
that I think I did I called and had a 43

1379
01:02:57,370 --> 01:02:54,530
minute conversation with Jim Sammy ban

1380
01:02:59,260 --> 01:02:57,380
okay okay that's my research I called

1381
01:03:00,850 --> 01:02:59,270
him and said I need your take on this

1382
01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:00,860
what are you saying and then I had to

1383
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:03,560
listen very carefully and ask really

1384
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:05,810
thoughtful questions and I tried every

1385
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:08,510
which way to ask a question to give him

1386
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:11,330
an out to give him an out to give him a

1387
01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:13,910
chance to deny he never did so these

1388
01:03:21,820 --> 01:03:17,630
guys are concerned and he gave me some

1389
01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:21,830
very interesting things to say about it

1390
01:03:28,750 --> 01:03:25,550
and and we talked for 43 minutes about

1391
01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:28,760
it so I'm telling you

1392
01:03:34,839 --> 01:03:32,420
from that what I truly felt and

1393
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:34,849
perceived is that these guys have

1394
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,010
circled the wagons or I jokingly say

1395
01:03:42,279 --> 01:03:40,000
circled the fighter jets locked on her

1396
01:03:45,730 --> 01:03:42,289
that's an inside joke circle the fighter

1397
01:03:48,339 --> 01:03:45,740
jets lock arms and and they're having

1398
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:48,349
unanimous front in what they say and

1399
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:51,910
don't say now they could have just

1400
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:55,220
denied this easily but they haven't and

1401
01:04:02,440 --> 01:03:58,490
I think that's very telling none of

1402
01:04:06,460 --> 01:04:02,450
these guys have denied okay and and I

1403
01:04:12,190 --> 01:04:06,470
think it's because they know that that

1404
01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:12,200
interview happened you know now anyway

1405
01:04:16,180 --> 01:04:14,150
so that don't anybody looking at known

1406
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:16,190
samples of Eric Davis is writing and

1407
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:18,049
comparing them to the notes you know if

1408
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:19,910
anyone's taken that step to do that I

1409
01:04:26,020 --> 01:04:22,609
know I don't know that anyone has access

1410
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:26,030
to know if anyone has made an effort to

1411
01:04:29,319 --> 01:04:28,130
see if Admiral Wilson was invaded I mean

1412
01:04:31,420 --> 01:04:29,329
that would go do CUC

1413
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:31,430
to do okay now I I don't know anything

1414
01:04:34,359 --> 01:04:32,720
about that Franken yes those are good

1415
01:04:35,819 --> 01:04:34,369
points I don't think anybody's got I

1416
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:35,829
don't know of anyone that's got

1417
01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:38,569
documents typed up by Eric that they

1418
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:41,000
could compare okay other than official

1419
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,510
documents stated on on how in Eric's

1420
01:04:48,579 --> 01:04:46,160
businesses web site earth tech you know

1421
01:04:50,019 --> 01:04:48,589
and the atom project stuff but those are

1422
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,029
you know things done up on a computer

1423
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:52,880
there's you know is there a style of

1424
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:54,770
writing we don't know if it how wrote it

1425
01:04:58,839 --> 01:04:56,450
or Eric wrote it you know who knows mate

1426
01:05:00,940 --> 01:04:58,849
you know so it's hard to say it's I

1427
01:05:03,339 --> 01:05:00,950
don't know of anyone that has that if

1428
01:05:06,190 --> 01:05:03,349
they do great if they do and they have

1429
01:05:08,529 --> 01:05:06,200
any documentation or ever received

1430
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:08,539
documents or a letter or an agreement or

1431
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:10,490
contract or anything from Eric's please

1432
01:05:19,150 --> 01:05:17,319
there's no an example of this that came

1433
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:19,160
up in the news within the last year or

1434
01:05:23,170 --> 01:05:21,500
so regarding a an op-ed piece that was

1435
01:05:25,569 --> 01:05:23,180
supposedly written by a White House

1436
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:25,579
insider that was saying you know the

1437
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:27,529
steady state is in control don't worry

1438
01:05:32,109 --> 01:05:29,690
about Trump blah blah blah and the word

1439
01:05:34,059 --> 01:05:32,119
lodestar was used in it and people

1440
01:05:36,130 --> 01:05:34,069
immediately pointed the Vice President

1441
01:05:38,740 --> 01:05:36,140
Mike Pence because he frequently uses

1442
01:05:40,990 --> 01:05:38,750
that so you know there are things that

1443
01:05:42,849 --> 01:05:41,000
again it doesn't probably think one way

1444
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:42,859
so who's got documents to compare so I

1445
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:44,690
want to stay out of that Frank I'm not

1446
01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:45,980
going there I don't know who has

1447
01:05:48,730 --> 01:05:47,180
documents to compare I don't know if

1448
01:05:50,530 --> 01:05:48,740
anyone's done it I don't think they have

1449
01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:50,540
I haven't heard anyone say they have

1450
01:05:54,130 --> 01:05:51,950
other documents from Eric if they do

1451
01:06:02,740 --> 01:05:54,140
please come forward because well that

1452
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:02,750
should be compared the working group of

1453
01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:04,490
which Oceania was a part of is

1454
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:06,950
referenced in the letter or in the

1455
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:12,190
interview understood and those people

1456
01:06:18,940 --> 01:06:15,050
you know there's a big crossover between

1457
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:18,950
that group and niz I have 28 years of

1458
01:06:22,570 --> 01:06:20,930
research showing that why why do you

1459
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:22,580
think that Eric Davis would use

1460
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:23,810
everybody else's full name but

1461
01:06:29,470 --> 01:06:26,290
abbreviate John Alexander who is very

1462
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:29,480
the information is very dismissive of

1463
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:32,570
what do you think that would be for that

1464
01:06:36,849 --> 01:06:34,550
reason I don't know you have to ask him

1465
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:36,859
I don't know I'm right when I read it it

1466
01:06:42,339 --> 01:06:38,960
made sense to me because it was such a

1467
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:42,349
dismissive comment okay what immediately

1468
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,330
jumped out to me I asked Michael and he

1469
01:06:48,070 --> 01:06:46,640
he seems to feel he has pinned down it

1470
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:48,080
was meant to be John Alexander so

1471
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:55,599
you know I feel like we need to move on

1472
01:07:01,150 --> 01:06:58,210
some things there just make so much

1473
01:07:03,849 --> 01:07:01,160
consistent logic if some things are so

1474
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:03,859
blaming consistently logical let's go to

1475
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:08,000
what is in the document okay and and

1476
01:07:16,839 --> 01:07:15,050
maybe white it was very significant IIIi

1477
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,849
agree with that I think there's

1478
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:19,280
something very very interesting about

1479
01:07:22,060 --> 01:07:20,810
the documents clearly written by an

1480
01:07:23,770 --> 01:07:22,070
insider I don't think there's any

1481
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:23,780
question about that somebody who knows a

1482
01:07:31,089 --> 01:07:29,359
lot so we need documents that someone

1483
01:07:33,609 --> 01:07:31,099
has come out with because they add

1484
01:07:35,530 --> 01:07:33,619
access to them and there a number of

1485
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:35,540
people who had access to Edgar Mitchell

1486
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:37,730
styles and since he was at those

1487
01:07:42,339 --> 01:07:39,770
meetings and copied on everything that's

1488
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:42,349
not a far reach particularly since the

1489
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,870
let me talk for a second here

1490
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:51,680
everybody's talked for a long time I've

1491
01:07:56,180 --> 01:07:53,850
been listening I have

1492
01:07:59,860 --> 01:07:56,190
Malinda my question that I did not get a

1493
01:08:02,930 --> 01:07:59,870
chance to ask her okay my question is

1494
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:02,940
since we know there is no evidence to

1495
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:06,390
provide that The Smoking Gun doc and the

1496
01:08:11,660 --> 01:08:09,090
alien autopsy emails came from the

1497
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:11,670
estate or the files of Edgar Mitchell

1498
01:08:16,340 --> 01:08:12,770
yet

1499
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:16,350
I'm not saying okay I'm permanent I get

1500
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:19,730
that I'm good okay then how do we know

1501
01:08:26,410 --> 01:08:23,670
that all this supposed or alleged

1502
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,420
sensitive information or alleged

1503
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:29,120
top-secret information or alleged

1504
01:08:36,290 --> 01:08:33,650
classified information was not

1505
01:08:40,580 --> 01:08:36,300
manipulated and put together by somebody

1506
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:40,590
that had direct access to the Edgar

1507
01:08:48,770 --> 01:08:43,410
Mitchell estate slash files how do I

1508
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:48,780
know we don't know that Melinda what I

1509
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:51,150
would like to know along that thought

1510
01:08:56,690 --> 01:08:55,410
process is how do we and I'm gonna go

1511
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:56,700
ahead and repeat what I just said so I

1512
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:59,010
can finish the thought process and going

1513
01:09:04,250 --> 01:09:01,380
along that thought of how do we know

1514
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:04,260
that somebody did not manipulate or put

1515
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:08,960
together a kaleidoscope of information

1516
01:09:16,060 --> 01:09:12,480
from the Edgar Mitchell estate or files

1517
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:16,070
of his to create a dense information

1518
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:19,890
package to then drop for everybody to

1519
01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:22,350
look at I found the timing interesting

1520
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:24,030
people can say they've seen some of

1521
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:26,160
these documents for years okay then why

1522
01:09:30,230 --> 01:09:27,960
are they talking about them all in

1523
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:30,240
totality now and I mean the two Doc's

1524
01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:32,550
not the three that just came out I'm not

1525
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:34,350
talking about the third I'm talking

1526
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:36,660
about the alien autopsy doc and The

1527
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:38,910
Smoking Gun doc now a lot of people have

1528
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:41,250
been talking in the UFO community about

1529
01:09:44,900 --> 01:09:42,570
how there's so much sensitive

1530
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:44,910
information in these Doc's a one how do

1531
01:09:48,170 --> 01:09:45,900
we know it's really sensitive

1532
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:48,180
information that's fine if we can verify

1533
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:50,670
that I'm good with that let's even say

1534
01:09:53,540 --> 01:09:52,170
that there is real classified

1535
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:53,550
information in there I'm fine with that

1536
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,090
too

1537
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:56,640
my question is still how do we know that

1538
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:01,860
there's not some kind of disinfo program

1539
01:10:07,060 --> 01:10:04,140
going by an intelligence agent or

1540
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:07,070
somebody who is smart enough to act like

1541
01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:10,250
and put all this stuff together so that

1542
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:12,830
we will have circular conversations on

1543
01:10:21,340 --> 01:10:18,560
it for infinity well it and it goes to

1544
01:10:25,690 --> 01:10:21,350
what might be the motive and we're left

1545
01:10:27,250 --> 01:10:25,700
to speculate but granted the most the

1546
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:27,260
motives I thought of were in

1547
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:31,610
relationship to why why if if these were

1548
01:10:37,330 --> 01:10:34,880
if I'm saying if donate by jump on me if

1549
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:37,340
these were in the possession of dr.

1550
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:39,860
Mitchell and it was someone associated

1551
01:10:48,340 --> 01:10:42,770
with them who brought this information

1552
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:48,350
forward that there's a a line of

1553
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:51,230
reasoning to motive there now you're

1554
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:51,710
right

1555
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:54,440
could it be because I even speculated

1556
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:57,170
and I said this to in a conversation

1557
01:11:02,260 --> 01:11:00,800
with Richard Dolan I said basically

1558
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:02,270
you'll you'll be happy to hear this I

1559
01:11:04,690 --> 01:11:03,440
have this exact same kind of

1560
01:11:10,270 --> 01:11:04,700
conversation with Richard Roehm where I

1561
01:11:13,540 --> 01:11:10,280
said what if this is is a brilliant

1562
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:13,550
plausible deniability way to release the

1563
01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:18,290
docs but make it point to Edgar Mitchell

1564
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:20,420
because it's easy to blame the dead guy

1565
01:11:25,330 --> 01:11:23,330
you know I not to belittle the wonderful

1566
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:25,340
life of dr. Edgar Mitchell but you know

1567
01:11:30,130 --> 01:11:27,530
being that he's passed away you can't

1568
01:11:31,810 --> 01:11:30,140
you can't blame the dead guy so you go

1569
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,820
back to okay if these were in his

1570
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:33,520
possession it was someone that knew him

1571
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:37,520
and it the timing is the timing is is

1572
01:11:45,550 --> 01:11:41,510
the motive it is the timing it is in

1573
01:11:48,730 --> 01:11:45,560
relationship to what is going on that to

1574
01:11:52,270 --> 01:11:48,740
the Stars is generating with what's

1575
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:52,280
going on politically with the Navy the

1576
01:11:57,490 --> 01:11:54,530
Air Force you know the president being

1577
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,500
questioned by Stephanopoulos now now as

1578
01:12:03,760 --> 01:11:59,840
of today the senators saying they were

1579
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:03,770
briefed I mean this is deliberate and it

1580
01:12:09,970 --> 01:12:06,710
doesn't take a rocket scientist to see

1581
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:09,980
that this is all very deliberate okay

1582
01:12:17,260 --> 01:12:12,650
and and pushing it in closed-door

1583
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:17,270
meetings you know in DC was to the stars

1584
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:20,510
so they're directly involved and

1585
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:23,120
whether someone is using them as a front

1586
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:26,090
or whether this is something that they

1587
01:12:29,650 --> 01:12:28,010
are really generating we could debate

1588
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:29,660
till the end of the planet and I don't

1589
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,410
wish to because I don't know but I I put

1590
01:12:39,370 --> 01:12:36,080
that out as a possibility to Richard

1591
01:12:41,140 --> 01:12:39,380
what is and he said at this point we do

1592
01:12:43,690 --> 01:12:41,150
you know Richard was very fair about it

1593
01:12:45,190 --> 01:12:43,700
and we were told greement at this point

1594
01:12:47,260 --> 01:12:45,200
and you probably it sounds like you know

1595
01:12:48,850 --> 01:12:47,270
you guys would be too we don't know like

1596
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:48,860
you were just bringing up we don't know

1597
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:51,440
that that's not a possibility I'm not

1598
01:12:56,260 --> 01:12:53,330
here to answer all those questions all I

1599
01:12:58,960 --> 01:12:56,270
can say is I have two pieces of evidence

1600
01:13:01,810 --> 01:12:58,970
that are puzzle pieces that can help us

1601
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:01,820
with this one is I do know the history

1602
01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:06,350
of that group I do understand why some

1603
01:13:11,860 --> 01:13:09,020
people might be at odds with some of

1604
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:11,870
their choices I do know the history

1605
01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:14,810
leading up long before and leading up to

1606
01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:17,270
the formation and is and for mids to

1607
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:20,420
bass to us up to a tip to to to start so

1608
01:13:26,620 --> 01:13:23,690
so there is an interconnection this here

1609
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:26,630
and it and I and I have expressed

1610
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:29,510
although Richard disagree with me but

1611
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:31,130
grant did agree with me that this is a

1612
01:13:36,190 --> 01:13:33,650
shot across the bow from someone this is

1613
01:13:37,570 --> 01:13:36,200
a problem for these guys grant a thing

1614
01:13:40,270 --> 01:13:37,580
this and every interview is done in the

1615
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:40,280
last three days this is a problem for

1616
01:13:45,970 --> 01:13:42,890
these guys they are saying oh it's not a

1617
01:13:47,890 --> 01:13:45,980
problem but it's a forty three minute

1618
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:47,900
explanation of how this isn't a problem

1619
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:50,570
for us and it's and it's a official

1620
01:13:56,530 --> 01:13:54,080
written statement by he'll you know the

1621
01:14:02,710 --> 01:13:56,540
idea that those protests too much comes

1622
01:14:05,470 --> 01:14:02,720
to mind okay okay so okay so so I agree

1623
01:14:07,090 --> 01:14:05,480
with you that these are the things as I

1624
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,100
just said I stated them

1625
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:09,920
just yesterday to Richard we have to

1626
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:12,370
consider these are other possibilities

1627
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:15,290
sure but all I know is and the only

1628
01:14:19,570 --> 01:14:17,570
reason I was so busy right now with work

1629
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:19,580
I'm I'm busy all day with clients I'm

1630
01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:21,770
busy with big tour groups every night I

1631
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,720
just came from speaking it not in

1632
01:14:28,590 --> 01:14:25,520
contact but another conference that was

1633
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:28,600
kind of a small private seminar thing I

1634
01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:31,610
came back to you know just landing in

1635
01:14:36,670 --> 01:14:34,280
the mist of being busy I'm planning to

1636
01:14:38,230 --> 01:14:36,680
I was planning three trips coming up one

1637
01:14:39,790 --> 01:14:38,240
that's been canceled but to others to

1638
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:39,800
conferences where I'm going to have

1639
01:14:44,170 --> 01:14:42,650
exhibit tables you know vendor table I'm

1640
01:14:47,230 --> 01:14:44,180
not speaking either but I have a vendor

1641
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:47,240
table you know and so and so I'm in the

1642
01:14:51,370 --> 01:14:49,310
midst of my just having too much on my

1643
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:51,380
plate I'm not able to get through it all

1644
01:14:58,150 --> 01:14:56,510
this happened I don't be a part of this

1645
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:58,160
yeah yeah join the club you got it

1646
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:00,140
Richard and you know grant and I have

1647
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:01,970
said this in conversations like this

1648
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:03,770
could be worse timing for all of us I

1649
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:07,190
mean it's just like you know and but I

1650
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:10,970
have I had the evidence in the history

1651
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:15,440
of the group and and Eric's involvement

1652
01:15:21,580 --> 01:15:17,810
and you know or possible involvement and

1653
01:15:24,010 --> 01:15:21,590
and certainly oak in Jays involvement

1654
01:15:25,540 --> 01:15:24,020
you know and so and you go okay and and

1655
01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:25,550
I have this additional thing and I'm

1656
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:28,430
like I can at least say those three

1657
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:30,230
paragraphs that talk about that are

1658
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:31,970
talking about something accurate so I

1659
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:33,110
thought I have a Pete I have

1660
01:15:36,850 --> 01:15:35,330
documentation to support that I should

1661
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:36,860
come forward with that and I had a

1662
01:15:39,730 --> 01:15:38,330
number of researchers who have already

1663
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:39,740
mentioned who supported me in doing so

1664
01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:44,480
and then and then additionally and it

1665
01:15:48,730 --> 01:15:46,760
wasn't right away I waited a couple days

1666
01:15:53,380 --> 01:15:48,740
because I avoided doing it like the

1667
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:53,390
plague I just spoke to I really try not

1668
01:15:58,300 --> 01:15:56,690
to be a thorn in his side you know

1669
01:16:02,530 --> 01:15:58,310
because I don't want to wear out the

1670
01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:02,540
welcome mat at all for talking to Jim

1671
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,760
semi van and I just talked to him a week

1672
01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:06,320
before about something else and I'm like

1673
01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:07,430
oh my god he died I asked him I just

1674
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:08,540
talked to him I don't want a burden

1675
01:16:11,980 --> 01:16:10,250
right you know because he'll start

1676
01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:11,990
avoiding my calls or you know right

1677
01:16:16,710 --> 01:16:14,120
that's what I'm thinking so I said but I

1678
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:16,720
as days went by I went

1679
01:16:22,690 --> 01:16:20,510
especially when but I was thinking I

1680
01:16:24,490 --> 01:16:22,700
should call and I was thinking thinking

1681
01:16:27,850 --> 01:16:24,500
I was telling research I might call him

1682
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:27,860
and then all of a sudden rich puts out

1683
01:16:32,650 --> 01:16:30,770
there I talked to hell or he tells me on

1684
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:32,660
the phone he hadn't put it out he made

1685
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:34,970
the video that night but that day Rich's

1686
01:16:40,450 --> 01:16:37,520
telling me I talked to hell he sent me

1687
01:16:42,430 --> 01:16:40,460
an email and I went oh my god and I said

1688
01:16:45,220 --> 01:16:42,440
I actually at that point I told Richard

1689
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:45,230
Richard Dolan in other words that I had

1690
01:16:49,090 --> 01:16:47,960
called Jim and we had played phone tag

1691
01:16:50,979 --> 01:16:49,100
because I'd actually called him the day

1692
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:50,989
before he called me back in the morning

1693
01:16:54,910 --> 01:16:54,080
but it was really early and and I didn't

1694
01:16:59,050 --> 01:16:54,920
take the call

1695
01:17:02,229 --> 01:16:59,060
and so I'm telling Richard okay I called

1696
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:02,239
him I was even wondering if I should

1697
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:04,070
have you know and then all of a sudden

1698
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:06,170
you're saying you talked to hell this is

1699
01:17:11,260 --> 01:17:08,690
the response from how and he said we got

1700
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:11,270
a cop you know you gotta come back you

1701
01:17:16,209 --> 01:17:12,800
know Richard's like come back I know but

1702
01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:16,219
he said and I did and like I said we had

1703
01:17:21,180 --> 01:17:18,230
a 43 minute conversation and I ended up

1704
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:21,190
getting back to richer and saying he's

1705
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:24,170
saying the same things out you know but

1706
01:17:29,470 --> 01:17:27,320
he did say a few extra minor things that

1707
01:17:31,690 --> 01:17:29,480
I thought were in addition that we're

1708
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:31,700
interesting but find him on my notes

1709
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:38,570
here um oh my goodness Oh Mike here he

1710
01:17:47,530 --> 01:17:45,340
everything he was saying was along the

1711
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:47,540
lines of explaining no comment and

1712
01:17:52,690 --> 01:17:49,610
explaining why they couldn't comment and

1713
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:52,700
going quite in depth about they all have

1714
01:17:56,890 --> 01:17:54,650
their security oath

1715
01:17:59,800 --> 01:17:56,900
till death you know he said we have our

1716
01:18:01,360 --> 01:17:59,810
security oath till we die and those are

1717
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:01,370
very serious and we all take them very

1718
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:04,880
seriously but he said the following he

1719
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:06,650
said and this is I'm going to quote and

1720
01:18:12,970 --> 01:18:10,010
quote even if one sentence on a document

1721
01:18:16,450 --> 01:18:12,980
is classified or dealing with something

1722
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:16,460
that is we cannot comment on the entire

1723
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:18,260
document I'm glad you brought that up

1724
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,910
because you know the reading that kind

1725
01:18:27,310 --> 01:18:24,320
of blows the reading between the lines

1726
01:18:28,660 --> 01:18:27,320
lines and oh that's a non-denial denial

1727
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:28,670
it seems love that a little out of the

1728
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:29,120
water

1729
01:18:38,530 --> 01:18:34,370
Frank no I get a great Linda let me let

1730
01:18:40,180 --> 01:18:38,540
me ask you a question regarding that you

1731
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:40,190
just said something that's really

1732
01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:42,170
interesting and that is and I'm just

1733
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:43,700
going to go ahead and start a paraphrase

1734
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:45,710
it and that is if anything in the

1735
01:18:50,290 --> 01:18:47,450
document even once and it's refers to

1736
01:18:53,020 --> 01:18:50,300
something classified we cannot comment

1737
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:53,030
in any way on the whole entire document

1738
01:18:59,260 --> 01:18:55,489
if there's one sentence there we can't

1739
01:19:01,480 --> 01:18:59,270
comment on it that idea right yeah I'm

1740
01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:01,490
gonna go ahead and go to

1741
01:19:07,060 --> 01:19:03,470
another area regarding that idea and

1742
01:19:09,190 --> 01:19:07,070
that is something that dr. Mitchell has

1743
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:09,200
been attributed to having said and that

1744
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,290
is the UFO program that the Admiral

1745
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:14,000
sought would be in this category

1746
01:19:19,330 --> 01:19:16,970
thus by law he would be required to deny

1747
01:19:22,090 --> 01:19:19,340
the existence of such a program for a

1748
01:19:23,860 --> 01:19:22,100
core secret SAP even a no comment would

1749
01:19:27,010 --> 01:19:23,870
be a breach of security same idea right

1750
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,020
well my question is this then if all

1751
01:19:32,890 --> 01:19:30,320
these people are saying are saying that

1752
01:19:36,970 --> 01:19:32,900
they have no comment or even if they

1753
01:19:40,030 --> 01:19:36,980
have made a comment about these

1754
01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:40,040
documents that would mean in essence

1755
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:44,240
that they just breached security so why

1756
01:19:55,570 --> 01:19:47,930
then should I believe them that's true

1757
01:19:57,730 --> 01:19:55,580
that's true that's a very good why but

1758
01:20:01,930 --> 01:19:57,740
I'd like to bring it up because it's

1759
01:20:04,810 --> 01:20:01,940
important no I agree with you we famous

1760
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:04,820
talk-show hosts that are going over this

1761
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:07,730
as though they are the authorities on

1762
01:20:13,570 --> 01:20:11,810
this document which is fine if it had

1763
01:20:15,130 --> 01:20:13,580
been researching it extensively I'm

1764
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:15,140
totally fine with that

1765
01:20:23,950 --> 01:20:21,650
however they some are using this idea

1766
01:20:27,580 --> 01:20:23,960
that no comment would be a breach of

1767
01:20:30,850 --> 01:20:27,590
security well then you can't cherry pick

1768
01:20:33,850 --> 01:20:30,860
your research you either are with that

1769
01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:33,860
or you're not and that is folks

1770
01:20:39,850 --> 01:20:36,580
allegedly involved in these two Doc's

1771
01:20:43,090 --> 01:20:39,860
some are saying that they've either been

1772
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:43,100
involved or they sort of they sort of

1773
01:20:46,990 --> 01:20:44,840
have been involved maybe they're

1774
01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:47,000
flirting with the idea of it or they're

1775
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:50,750
saying no comment and so by the virtue

1776
01:20:58,960 --> 01:20:54,260
of them speaking at all again that means

1777
01:21:02,650 --> 01:20:58,970
that they just broke security they just

1778
01:21:05,260 --> 01:21:02,660
basically broke their oath if they even

1779
01:21:08,110 --> 01:21:05,270
had one regarding possible classified

1780
01:21:10,420 --> 01:21:08,120
material why are people not considering

1781
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:10,430
that okay well I want to move on and you

1782
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:13,280
may be right I think that's a nice valid

1783
01:21:16,140 --> 01:21:14,410
point to bring up

1784
01:21:17,460 --> 01:21:16,150
and that's that's an interesting you

1785
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:17,470
know thing to think about

1786
01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:19,090
I mean believe me I've tried to look at

1787
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:21,940
this from every angle possible I don't

1788
01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:24,370
have a dog in the race I have a document

1789
01:21:28,710 --> 01:21:26,440
about that other meeting I said I can at

1790
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,720
least come forward with with information

1791
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,640
that says that meeting as mentioned by

1792
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:32,800
oak Shannon and that involvement

1793
01:21:37,650 --> 01:21:35,650
happened okay and in additional to

1794
01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:37,660
anything Alexander said I have an

1795
01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:40,120
independent of that piece of information

1796
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:42,580
so I thought that was important and then

1797
01:21:47,610 --> 01:21:46,000
I called Jim and had a 43 minute

1798
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:47,620
conversation so I think it's important

1799
01:21:53,460 --> 01:21:51,160
to offer that up there was only one part

1800
01:21:54,780 --> 01:21:53,470
of the conversation I had with Jim where

1801
01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:54,790
I said oh this next part kind of

1802
01:21:58,650 --> 01:21:56,590
off-the-record it has nothing to do with

1803
01:22:00,000 --> 01:21:58,660
the documents or those security

1804
01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:00,010
clearances or any of this conversation

1805
01:22:04,710 --> 01:22:02,680
it was about future projects for to the

1806
01:22:06,330 --> 01:22:04,720
stars completely unrelated was kind of

1807
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,340
one of their entertainment projects and

1808
01:22:11,940 --> 01:22:08,400
he said don't share this part and I

1809
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:11,950
agreed not to because he may be doing

1810
01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:14,230
that to test that I would not share that

1811
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,460
so I'm not going to share about that

1812
01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:17,920
future plan I don't think it was any big

1813
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:20,860
deal that he shared with me but it just

1814
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:24,670
the fact that he did yeah yeah yeah yeah

1815
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,650
so I honor that and and because if I

1816
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:28,960
didn't honor that and if I said anything

1817
01:22:34,890 --> 01:22:31,810
that I think he had a huge problem with

1818
01:22:36,660 --> 01:22:34,900
I would lose my you know contact of

1819
01:22:38,910 --> 01:22:36,670
being able to talk to him now I want

1820
01:22:41,730 --> 01:22:38,920
everyone to know I do so very garde Lee

1821
01:22:44,190 --> 01:22:41,740
he talks to me very guarded and I talked

1822
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:44,200
to him very guarded he's willing to talk

1823
01:22:49,410 --> 01:22:47,110
to me so I am gonna do anything to burn

1824
01:22:52,980 --> 01:22:49,420
that bridge okay I have an open

1825
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:52,990
communication and I can quote I can

1826
01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:55,030
quote mr. semi van saying this that I am

1827
01:22:57,450 --> 01:22:57,070
the only person in ufology he's talking

1828
01:23:00,030 --> 01:22:57,460
to

1829
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:00,040
in fact he joked about it except for Tom

1830
01:23:04,020 --> 01:23:02,290
exam accepted Shaun Alexander

1831
01:23:07,230 --> 01:23:04,030
and how put out who he talks to all the

1832
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:07,240
time and and but he said why don't

1833
01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:08,770
consider them and ufology and I said I

1834
01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:10,270
think pretty much he followed you would

1835
01:23:15,420 --> 01:23:12,790
not consider really you know would not

1836
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:15,430
really consider how or John Alexander in

1837
01:23:20,190 --> 01:23:18,160
ufology as well as they wouldn't but I

1838
01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:20,200
couldn't could if he did make a joke

1839
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:21,580
about that he goes well I guess they're

1840
01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:24,490
not really ufology and I go no but he

1841
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:26,230
said otherwise you know out of the

1842
01:23:28,259 --> 01:23:27,310
research community

1843
01:23:31,029 --> 01:23:28,269
now grin

1844
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,039
members of the board talked to different

1845
01:23:36,429 --> 01:23:33,199
people you know other members involved

1846
01:23:38,620 --> 01:23:36,439
into the Stars have life how talking to

1847
01:23:41,770 --> 01:23:38,630
Dolan and of course everyone but Jim

1848
01:23:44,620 --> 01:23:41,780
talking to George Knapp okay but as far

1849
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,630
as Jim Sammy Vance who it used to say on

1850
01:23:48,850 --> 01:23:46,880
their website was director of operations

1851
01:23:50,620 --> 01:23:48,860
and somewhere along the way because you

1852
01:23:52,209 --> 01:23:50,630
know number months ago that I looked at

1853
01:23:53,919 --> 01:23:52,219
it after not having it looked at it in

1854
01:23:55,929 --> 01:23:53,929
many many months it no longer said

1855
01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:55,939
Director of Operations has said vice

1856
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,610
president to the Stars and co-founder of

1857
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:00,800
course president being Tom DeLonge and

1858
01:24:06,069 --> 01:24:02,449
founder being Tom DeLonge so it says

1859
01:24:08,409 --> 01:24:06,079
co-founder and vice president so going

1860
01:24:11,649 --> 01:24:08,419
back to any has a long extensive very

1861
01:24:15,909 --> 01:24:11,659
high-level CIA background a number of

1862
01:24:19,299 --> 01:24:15,919
people have looked into that so now he

1863
01:24:20,799 --> 01:24:19,309
went on to say and I think this was a

1864
01:24:22,899 --> 01:24:20,809
little bit of the tip of the hat I

1865
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:22,909
thought if there was any point in 43

1866
01:24:26,890 --> 01:24:25,010
minutes where I felt he you know I would

1867
01:24:29,709 --> 01:24:26,900
say he's flipped or anything was him

1868
01:24:31,989 --> 01:24:29,719
saying that they're friends with many of

1869
01:24:35,109 --> 01:24:31,999
the individuals mentioned meaning in the

1870
01:24:36,459 --> 01:24:35,119
Wilson document and he said and they

1871
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:36,469
don't want to create problems

1872
01:24:43,029 --> 01:24:40,639
difficulties or you know that that that

1873
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:43,039
could be you know for those people

1874
01:24:47,020 --> 01:24:44,719
mentioned he said it could be very

1875
01:24:48,489 --> 01:24:47,030
embarrassing for some of them it could

1876
01:24:50,049 --> 01:24:48,499
cause them grief I mean you know these

1877
01:24:51,459 --> 01:24:50,059
kind of quotes he was saying they they

1878
01:24:53,890 --> 01:24:51,469
could be embarrassing I'm kind of

1879
01:24:55,779 --> 01:24:53,900
paraphrasing him here embarrassing for

1880
01:24:57,580 --> 01:24:55,789
them Cosman grease would cause

1881
01:25:00,939 --> 01:24:57,590
legalities and could be detrimental

1882
01:25:02,409 --> 01:25:00,949
towards their jobs or positions and in

1883
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:02,419
but he said and we're friends with them

1884
01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:04,010
so we don't want to be detrimental to

1885
01:25:07,540 --> 01:25:06,260
their jobs or positions cause legalities

1886
01:25:10,659 --> 01:25:07,550
cause and grace or cause them

1887
01:25:12,909 --> 01:25:10,669
embarrassment sure you know but he but

1888
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:12,919
he said we do know and in any didn't

1889
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,169
there could be all sorts of reasons for

1890
01:25:19,089 --> 01:25:17,360
that kind of embarrassment yeah we had

1891
01:25:22,449 --> 01:25:19,099
already discussed him and I on the phone

1892
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:22,459
it's mention of oh by the way he knows

1893
01:25:25,929 --> 01:25:24,169
it's John Alexander we've talked about

1894
01:25:27,819 --> 01:25:25,939
that on the phone so there you go how do

1895
01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:27,829
you know that's not Jake Oh didn't send

1896
01:25:31,299 --> 01:25:29,510
me Ben and I talked about it it was

1897
01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:31,309
clear to him it was John Alexander so

1898
01:25:38,799 --> 01:25:34,820
that's not a mystery that's nice for

1899
01:25:41,769 --> 01:25:38,809
everybody so yeah he said it was John so

1900
01:25:44,019 --> 01:25:41,779
okay so so but he said other other other

1901
01:25:45,909 --> 01:25:44,029
John and oak and Eric and you know and

1902
01:25:47,379 --> 01:25:45,919
Wilson you know and Willard you know

1903
01:25:49,589 --> 01:25:47,389
other than that he meant other

1904
01:25:51,489 --> 01:25:49,599
individuals in there that they are

1905
01:25:52,689 --> 01:25:51,499
associated with her friends with and

1906
01:25:54,429 --> 01:25:52,699
they don't want to cause them grief or

1907
01:25:56,499 --> 01:25:54,439
embarrassment to admit that he knew

1908
01:25:59,679 --> 01:25:56,509
other people involved well to me I think

1909
01:26:01,509 --> 01:25:59,689
that was maybe a little bit of a slip

1910
01:26:03,279 --> 01:26:01,519
I'm he's being very honest and trying to

1911
01:26:06,699 --> 01:26:03,289
earn very fine sand friendly with me and

1912
01:26:08,409 --> 01:26:06,709
he may have in doing so you know that

1913
01:26:11,739 --> 01:26:08,419
was a tip of the hat so there you go

1914
01:26:14,679 --> 01:26:11,749
that's that was my takeaway I can tell

1915
01:26:17,259 --> 01:26:14,689
by the fact was a 43 minute conversation

1916
01:26:22,649 --> 01:26:17,269
the nature of how he said it you know

1917
01:26:25,269 --> 01:26:22,659
that that you know that these guys are

1918
01:26:26,499 --> 01:26:25,279
aware he clearly said it you know he had

1919
01:26:29,259 --> 01:26:26,509
read it I asked him that right from the

1920
01:26:32,019 --> 01:26:29,269
beginning they've seen everything they

1921
01:26:34,299 --> 01:26:32,029
discussed it and obviously it's a

1922
01:26:37,029 --> 01:26:34,309
concern to them which might speak to

1923
01:26:40,959 --> 01:26:37,039
whoever put it out there in their

1924
01:26:44,469 --> 01:26:40,969
motivations was to be of concern to

1925
01:26:45,789 --> 01:26:44,479
these individual okay because they

1926
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:45,799
caught the problem she was done

1927
01:26:49,899 --> 01:26:47,449
deliberately to cause them problems what

1928
01:26:51,939 --> 01:26:49,909
you're saying yeah yeah and I'm gonna

1929
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:51,949
throw out now this is just Melinda this

1930
01:26:59,049 --> 01:26:53,689
is just me and I admit this so you guys

1931
01:27:02,019 --> 01:26:59,059
this is just from okay from all the

1932
01:27:03,629 --> 01:27:02,029
stuff that I know so far from the

1933
01:27:05,769 --> 01:27:03,639
conversations that I've had with

1934
01:27:11,229 --> 01:27:05,779
everybody I've already mentioned in this

1935
01:27:13,659 --> 01:27:11,239
interview is that was I to do with that

1936
01:27:14,019 --> 01:27:13,669
I had inside me to like move stuff

1937
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:14,029
around

1938
01:27:27,009 --> 01:27:19,449
sorry if I'm speculating here the

1939
01:27:28,539 --> 01:27:27,019
reasons yes if just semi vented say oh

1940
01:27:29,739 --> 01:27:28,549
doesn't cause any problems for us we're

1941
01:27:33,099 --> 01:27:29,749
not concerned when we had one meeting

1942
01:27:36,819 --> 01:27:33,109
about it you know okay that's you know

1943
01:27:40,209 --> 01:27:36,829
I'm quoting him okay but if they're

1944
01:27:42,699 --> 01:27:40,219
concerned and have locked arms in a

1945
01:27:44,469 --> 01:27:42,709
unanimous voice in a response and are

1946
01:27:48,189 --> 01:27:44,479
getting marching orders on how to

1947
01:27:51,009 --> 01:27:48,199
respond from anyone in the UFO community

1948
01:27:54,430 --> 01:27:51,019
research to me and or the media how to

1949
01:27:57,220 --> 01:27:54,440
respond to this they have a game plan

1950
01:27:59,140 --> 01:27:57,230
apparent okay I don't think that's a far

1951
01:28:02,950 --> 01:27:59,150
reach to suggest these guys have a game

1952
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:02,960
plan and I think that the reason someone

1953
01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:04,970
may have released this now a lot of what

1954
01:28:09,850 --> 01:28:06,710
i investor-state the speculation based

1955
01:28:13,780 --> 01:28:09,860
upon if if and I'm saying if you guys

1956
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:13,790
these were the files of dr. Edgar

1957
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:15,530
Mitchell because if he was copied on

1958
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:17,510
everything during its time with knids

1959
01:28:23,050 --> 01:28:20,480
and that someone has now released that

1960
01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:23,060
after his death whether at its request

1961
01:28:27,610 --> 01:28:25,100
or not but someone has released that

1962
01:28:30,940 --> 01:28:27,620
stuff so let's go with that as a working

1963
01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:30,950
premise okay based upon that premise I

1964
01:28:34,420 --> 01:28:32,450
was well what could be the reasons for

1965
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:34,430
release and some of these were things

1966
01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:37,370
that I discussed with because I do not

1967
01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:40,190
know dr. Mitchell many research and

1968
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:42,470
field staff have met him but someone

1969
01:28:51,220 --> 01:28:45,290
that I know quite well it was very very

1970
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:51,230
close to him and that is the rank of the

1971
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:53,750
organization free yes sir right so after

1972
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:55,610
conversation of him I and him and I

1973
01:28:59,500 --> 01:28:57,770
speculated and then I went on and then I

1974
01:29:02,620 --> 01:28:59,510
talked to Grant and so this again I'll

1975
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:02,630
own this this is Melinda speculation but

1976
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:04,250
the reasons for the release and these

1977
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:07,450
aren't a particular order so one was

1978
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:09,650
that I said I don't know if the person

1979
01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:11,930
who did this is trying to just push the

1980
01:29:16,090 --> 01:29:14,150
subject way forward due to being

1981
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:16,100
impatient with the current disclosure

1982
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:18,920
trajectory if some of these things and

1983
01:29:22,660 --> 01:29:21,170
we have mean really you know we all

1984
01:29:25,470 --> 01:29:22,670
talked about the Wilson document to

1985
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:25,480
Randy and I and our research the letter

1986
01:29:31,810 --> 01:29:28,970
from Bigelow to dr. Mitchell is

1987
01:29:33,700 --> 01:29:31,820
extremely important because one thing

1988
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:33,710
Randy and I have come up with with our

1989
01:29:41,470 --> 01:29:37,130
research of these individuals and their

1990
01:29:44,980 --> 01:29:41,480
involvement in the UFO subject is a huge

1991
01:29:47,170 --> 01:29:44,990
high degree of interest in abductions

1992
01:29:49,060 --> 01:29:47,180
and abduction research an abduction

1993
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:49,070
accounts and in the science from

1994
01:29:54,940 --> 01:29:52,210
abductions and in the implants etc etc

1995
01:29:58,180 --> 01:29:54,950
and they're doing that now as everyone

1996
01:30:00,580 --> 01:29:58,190
knows with the dr. Davis and the KITT

1997
01:30:02,740 --> 01:30:00,590
green and that Jacques de la you know

1998
01:30:05,380 --> 01:30:02,750
involvement and the work they've done

1999
01:30:08,230 --> 01:30:05,390
with abductees this is not a secret to

2000
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:08,240
this day and yet there's a history going

2001
01:30:15,340 --> 01:30:10,970
back in the 40-year history going back

2002
01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:15,350
to the original meeting and I gave you

2003
01:30:20,110 --> 01:30:18,110
guys a Genda and the first two pages a

2004
01:30:22,780 --> 01:30:20,120
part of the transparencies now the

2005
01:30:25,690 --> 01:30:22,790
highlighting on there is something I did

2006
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:25,700
in a rush because I was taking photos of

2007
01:30:33,790 --> 01:30:28,970
those documents to include before last

2008
01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:33,800
August in my powerpoint presentation for

2009
01:30:38,830 --> 01:30:36,140
speaking for Lori Ann first date first

2010
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:38,840
in the March before that for us Oh Kahn

2011
01:30:45,070 --> 01:30:41,930
and then the following August for her

2012
01:30:46,780 --> 01:30:45,080
MUFON Sonoma you know Mendocino I move

2013
01:30:51,310 --> 01:30:46,790
on Marin County I'm sorry Marine County

2014
01:30:52,540 --> 01:30:51,320
Sonoma so um and so I had I wanted to

2015
01:30:55,420 --> 01:30:52,550
include those as kind of last-minute

2016
01:30:57,010 --> 01:30:55,430
idea I highlighted them so when I took

2017
01:30:59,470 --> 01:30:57,020
pictures of them I could actually show

2018
01:31:01,810 --> 01:30:59,480
the documents and highlight the parts

2019
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:01,820
that I thought were significant to the

2020
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:04,250
presentation I was giving but one of the

2021
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:06,770
they had three stated goals in their

2022
01:31:14,650 --> 01:31:10,490
meeting in 1985 one was about the

2023
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:14,660
technology to was sigh paranormal

2024
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:18,530
abilities three was abduction now if you

2025
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:21,050
go back to the group behind all of this

2026
01:31:26,050 --> 01:31:23,810
there's this common thread this common

2027
01:31:27,490 --> 01:31:26,060
thread group in their meeting stating

2028
01:31:31,570 --> 01:31:27,500
these are our plans over the next number

2029
01:31:33,790 --> 01:31:31,580
of years are these interests in USO

2030
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:33,800
technology SCI functioning site

2031
01:31:37,530 --> 01:31:35,330
component the site part of the

2032
01:31:40,630 --> 01:31:37,540
technology as well as adduction and

2033
01:31:43,480 --> 01:31:40,640
abductions themselves of course this has

2034
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:43,490
always dug tailed right in with my

2035
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:46,730
Miletus research and some of these same

2036
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:48,710
names and individuals have come up

2037
01:31:55,660 --> 01:31:52,850
repeatedly with my new lab cases that

2038
01:31:59,140 --> 01:31:55,670
they've had strong interest in these

2039
01:32:02,520 --> 01:31:59,150
Malad cases strong interest in the

2040
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:02,530
abject ease and the same the same

2041
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:05,210
abductees that these same individuals

2042
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:07,910
have shown interest in some of those

2043
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:11,120
same abductees also are my new lab cases

2044
01:32:17,980 --> 01:32:14,690
in addition so all along these games

2045
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:17,990
kept coming up no I'm not saying and I

2046
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:20,450
have never been able to find an absolute

2047
01:32:24,130 --> 01:32:21,679
well actually

2048
01:32:26,620 --> 01:32:24,140
that bet I think that back I have found

2049
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:26,630
very little absolute links but there are

2050
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:29,360
some directly to mil have related

2051
01:32:34,630 --> 01:32:30,800
scenarios so I can't say there's nothing

2052
01:32:38,350 --> 01:32:34,640
there are including one individual who

2053
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:38,360
is part of the original group my one of

2054
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:42,130
my cases worked for him during that time

2055
01:32:48,810 --> 01:32:46,370
he owed her some back pay she went to

2056
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:48,820
take him to court he threatened her by

2057
01:32:55,090 --> 01:32:52,130
saying and he went into great detail

2058
01:32:59,470 --> 01:32:55,100
about one of her actual milla military

2059
01:33:04,780 --> 01:32:59,480
abduction scenarios as if he was present

2060
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:04,790
during it and/or watched a video taken

2061
01:33:08,729 --> 01:33:07,010
of her event in other words like the

2062
01:33:11,470 --> 01:33:08,739
military perpetrators in her event

2063
01:33:13,810 --> 01:33:11,480
filmed the whole thing and he saw a

2064
01:33:16,750 --> 01:33:13,820
video of it or he was actually present

2065
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:16,760
when it happened because he knew details

2066
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:19,130
about an experience that was a mill

2067
01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:22,370
above Dutch and used that to threaten

2068
01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:25,310
her to say not only will you not take me

2069
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:26,630
to court over this money but you're

2070
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:29,690
gonna drop this because I know all this

2071
01:33:33,340 --> 01:33:31,310
and used it as a way to threaten her and

2072
01:33:36,580 --> 01:33:33,350
she called me and said no Linda he knew

2073
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,590
every detail that account so that is one

2074
01:33:40,090 --> 01:33:38,000
of the individuals involved another

2075
01:33:43,450 --> 01:33:40,100
individual involved I've had at least

2076
01:33:46,260 --> 01:33:43,460
three people placed that individual

2077
01:33:48,610 --> 01:33:46,270
there during their interrogations

2078
01:33:50,350 --> 01:33:48,620
interrogated underground base that

2079
01:33:52,959 --> 01:33:50,360
gentleman there and I've had three

2080
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:52,969
separate people placed in there so ok so

2081
01:33:56,919 --> 01:33:54,710
I'm not gonna name names because I'm not

2082
01:34:00,760 --> 01:33:56,929
gonna set myself up for you know major

2083
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:00,770
flak but but these are the same people

2084
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:03,290
so there's it's always dug tailed

2085
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:06,110
directly in that way anyways with my new

2086
01:34:11,229 --> 01:34:08,239
lab researches which has kept me going

2087
01:34:14,620 --> 01:34:11,239
to this day where you go well why should

2088
01:34:18,430 --> 01:34:14,630
send me van talking to me all you guys I

2089
01:34:21,070 --> 01:34:18,440
bet you yes ok I just told you my ok so

2090
01:34:23,890 --> 01:34:21,080
so but also told you that my labs aren't

2091
01:34:25,959 --> 01:34:23,900
happening - no he didn't tell me that he

2092
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:25,969
did not tell me that he's never told me

2093
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:28,130
that I don't know where you're getting

2094
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:31,610
that from he never told me that fact he

2095
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:35,610
told me something very opposite of that

2096
01:34:39,140 --> 01:34:37,440
we've had multiple discussions and it

2097
01:34:40,939 --> 01:34:39,150
was very much the opposite of that so I

2098
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:40,949
want to go back into these reasons for

2099
01:34:44,990 --> 01:34:42,210
the release of the documents because I

2100
01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:45,000
think this is important so I said so

2101
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,190
so whoever released this may be trying

2102
01:34:51,229 --> 01:34:49,440
to push the subject way for due to being

2103
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,239
very impatient with the current

2104
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:53,280
disclosure trajectory these guys are

2105
01:34:56,630 --> 01:34:54,780
taking too long too slow they're not

2106
01:34:58,580 --> 01:34:56,640
admitting everything they know and so

2107
01:35:01,160 --> 01:34:58,590
let's push this forward that's reason

2108
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:01,170
one number two whoever did this doesn't

2109
01:35:05,930 --> 01:35:03,570
like where it's going specifically with

2110
01:35:07,729 --> 01:35:05,940
the threat perspective they may not like

2111
01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:07,739
the threat perspective and so they're

2112
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:09,659
going to kind of expose these guys know

2113
01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:12,239
better or or that they are generating

2114
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:14,280
that for a reason okay

2115
01:35:17,570 --> 01:35:16,500
meaning the guys doing disclosure that

2116
01:35:19,490 --> 01:35:17,580
they're generating that threat

2117
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:19,500
perspective for a reason okay number

2118
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:22,290
three the person doing this may wish to

2119
01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:25,290
expose that these folks actually know a

2120
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,520
lot more than they're saying

2121
01:35:31,580 --> 01:35:29,280
look clearly these documents suggests

2122
01:35:34,820 --> 01:35:31,590
these folks know a lot more than they've

2123
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:34,830
said publicly or published or anything

2124
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:37,260
so so someone could be trying to expose

2125
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:41,610
that for obviously in a four - they may

2126
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:43,770
be trying to redirect the disclosure

2127
01:35:50,090 --> 01:35:47,610
conversation more towards the truth or

2128
01:35:51,290 --> 01:35:50,100
at least bigger more truthful story in

2129
01:35:53,330 --> 01:35:51,300
other words the bigger story so they're

2130
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:53,340
trying to direct it towards the truth of

2131
01:35:59,240 --> 01:35:56,880
the bigger story and five I said to

2132
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,250
point out or actually to actually expose

2133
01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:01,679
the agenda of the people involved with

2134
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:03,510
the current disclosure story so I just

2135
01:36:07,939 --> 01:36:05,010
threw those out there those are my

2136
01:36:09,620 --> 01:36:07,949
theories as to the motivation by someone

2137
01:36:11,450 --> 01:36:09,630
to do this and I admit they're just mine

2138
01:36:12,740 --> 01:36:11,460
but they're based upon logic they're

2139
01:36:17,180 --> 01:36:12,750
based upon my talking to other

2140
01:36:19,130 --> 01:36:17,190
researchers they're based upon a bunch

2141
01:36:21,260 --> 01:36:19,140
of you know interlinking things that I

2142
01:36:23,209 --> 01:36:21,270
think why would someone come forward

2143
01:36:24,649 --> 01:36:23,219
with these well and the timing and it's

2144
01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:24,659
all based on the timing because

2145
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:27,230
everything I just said reflects that

2146
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:30,060
timing issue of why it's happening right

2147
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:32,010
now there is they're trying to push it

2148
01:36:36,770 --> 01:36:34,290
forward faster or throw a wrench in the

2149
01:36:38,209 --> 01:36:36,780
works or expose it or something okay so

2150
01:36:40,820 --> 01:36:38,219
I just threw that out there and I just

2151
01:36:42,860 --> 01:36:40,830
wanted to offer that up a millennia

2152
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:42,870
doesn't the smoking gun document

2153
01:36:53,540 --> 01:36:50,270
no okay

2154
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:53,550
I don't think it does say that well our

2155
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:56,940
jock gansler does say I think I think I

2156
01:37:04,280 --> 01:36:59,520
don't think it says that okay I think

2157
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,290
that someone is is not you know I'd have

2158
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:06,480
to go back refer to me I don't have it

2159
01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:07,440
right in front of me

2160
01:37:10,939 --> 01:37:09,420
so refer to me we're on the document it

2161
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:10,949
says that in the context of which it

2162
01:37:16,010 --> 01:37:12,810
says yeah hang on let me let me find

2163
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:16,020
that page for I think I'm really dark

2164
01:37:20,959 --> 01:37:18,719
which I do remember okay

2165
01:37:30,140 --> 01:37:20,969
it's time to but somebody eric is

2166
01:37:32,750 --> 01:37:30,150
quoting eric is quoting okay yes Erica's

2167
01:37:34,939 --> 01:37:32,760
quoting Wilson is saying that Wilson is

2168
01:37:37,250 --> 01:37:34,949
saying he was told that by someone else

2169
01:37:39,379 --> 01:37:37,260
I'm not it doesn't even say that Wilson

2170
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:39,389
believes that okay he's quoting somebody

2171
01:37:42,740 --> 01:37:41,370
else so Eric voting Wilson quoting

2172
01:37:44,419 --> 01:37:42,750
somebody else you don't know what

2173
01:37:46,430 --> 01:37:44,429
actually someone believes and then I

2174
01:37:48,740 --> 01:37:46,440
think the third document tosses that on

2175
01:37:50,930 --> 01:37:48,750
its head because the third document and

2176
01:37:52,939 --> 01:37:50,940
these came out together to grant and

2177
01:37:58,640 --> 01:37:52,949
though everyone should keep that in mind

2178
01:38:02,810 --> 01:37:58,650
someone handed to him well I'm right

2179
01:38:06,050 --> 01:38:02,820
here okay let's go give her a call back

2180
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:06,060
if she did drop off maybe or my Clinton

2181
01:38:08,959 --> 01:38:08,190
you cuz I see her right there yeah she's

2182
01:38:10,939 --> 01:38:08,969
the one I want

2183
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:10,949
yeah she is you know she might be having

2184
01:38:16,729 --> 01:38:15,090
an audio issue right there but just one

2185
01:38:19,939 --> 01:38:16,739
sec I'm looking at the document right

2186
01:38:26,990 --> 01:38:19,949
now regarding the abduction not being

2187
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:27,000
real scenario okay yeah well we look for

2188
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:29,489
that just wanted to kind of mention

2189
01:38:33,890 --> 01:38:31,679
something interesting this has been a

2190
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,900
really great discussion with Melinda I'm

2191
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:35,760
hoping that we can get her back on oh

2192
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,010
yeah her work on this working group and

2193
01:38:44,330 --> 01:38:40,320
all that is absolutely top-notch it's

2194
01:38:47,180 --> 01:38:44,340
just we've obviously got some problems

2195
01:38:49,310 --> 01:38:47,190
with with the Wilson with the Wilson

2196
01:38:50,959 --> 01:38:49,320
dock we've got a problem so I think

2197
01:38:53,689 --> 01:38:50,969
we've joined up some more information

2198
01:38:56,510 --> 01:38:53,699
tonight that presents a problem with it

2199
01:38:58,939 --> 01:38:56,520
that our feeling is that too many a UFO

2200
01:39:00,500 --> 01:38:58,949
researchers and just sort of accepted it

2201
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:00,510
and not looked at it critically

2202
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:06,330
yeah this is let's see what's it I'm

2203
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:08,130
adding her right now by the way just so

2204
01:39:16,270 --> 01:39:09,690
you know I'm trying to get her right now

2205
01:39:19,220 --> 01:39:16,280
so she okay okay Melissa okay go ahead

2206
01:39:20,050 --> 01:39:19,230
okay I'm trying to remember where I was

2207
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:20,060
anyway

2208
01:39:24,890 --> 01:39:22,320
so I was saying that there that there

2209
01:39:28,340 --> 01:39:24,900
you know so far what we know is it

2210
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:28,350
appears to come from one source okay now

2211
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:29,280
we don't know if there's a group of

2212
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:30,930
people behind that but at this point

2213
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:35,489
okay at least all the Melinda there is

2214
01:39:40,460 --> 01:39:37,890
one person that we do know had all these

2215
01:39:42,110 --> 01:39:40,470
docs collected in one package at one

2216
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:42,120
point in time and that and that was

2217
01:39:54,770 --> 01:39:52,790
cabinet to grant James says this is

2218
01:39:55,580 --> 01:39:54,780
everything I have Grant says this is

2219
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:55,590
everything I have

2220
01:39:58,760 --> 01:39:57,450
Jane says I don't know the source who

2221
01:40:02,990 --> 01:39:58,770
gave me to me is going to give out more

2222
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:03,000
stuff or not okay so and and and so we

2223
01:40:11,540 --> 01:40:06,330
don't know if there's I've given

2224
01:40:14,420 --> 01:40:11,550
everything I had okay industry my point

2225
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:14,430
my point being the third thing that

2226
01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:16,410
grant just came out with it you know he

2227
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:18,840
has a few others but he's he's waiting

2228
01:40:22,820 --> 01:40:20,970
til you know he thinks it's important

2229
01:40:24,440 --> 01:40:22,830
you know whatever he's kind of laying

2230
01:40:25,550 --> 01:40:24,450
low I did it there's we just talked

2231
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:25,560
about there's a lot of reasons that's

2232
01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:28,770
you know just grant okay so so but he

2233
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:31,020
came forward with this other one because

2234
01:40:38,780 --> 01:40:34,110
he thought being that it was was a

2235
01:40:42,220 --> 01:40:38,790
letter from Bigelow to dr. Mitchell that

2236
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:42,230
it is it certainly showed or was

2237
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:45,090
circumstantial evidence okay to suggest

2238
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:46,530
that these were from Mitchell's file

2239
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:50,250
okay but in addition to that what's

2240
01:40:53,660 --> 01:40:52,170
important to Randi coping and I is

2241
01:40:55,820 --> 01:40:53,670
something we've said because it goes

2242
01:40:57,620 --> 01:40:55,830
back to that original meeting and all

2243
01:41:00,080 --> 01:40:57,630
has been a big part of their focus all

2244
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:00,090
along was an intense focus on abduction

2245
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:01,890
research that's one of their primary

2246
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:03,510
things now you're not hearing to the

2247
01:41:07,190 --> 01:41:05,010
start or anybody talked about that yet

2248
01:41:08,959 --> 01:41:07,200
I'm not even talking about experience in

2249
01:41:11,450 --> 01:41:08,969
general yeah but there is a history

2250
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:11,460
going back with this group I mean I I

2251
01:41:15,890 --> 01:41:14,370
gave a whole two hour long lecture it

2252
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,900
if anybody goes to the link I gave you

2253
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:18,000
guys and watches it all about the

2254
01:41:23,090 --> 01:41:21,330
history and and it's a significant part

2255
01:41:25,180 --> 01:41:23,100
of it is their constant interest in

2256
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:25,190
abductions and and involved with

2257
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:27,540
abductees I mean these guys are going

2258
01:41:31,250 --> 01:41:29,280
and spending the night at abductees

2259
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:31,260
house to investigate their cases

2260
01:41:35,450 --> 01:41:33,840
multiple people and I'm insisting a

2261
01:41:38,780 --> 01:41:35,460
little bit this is a lot you know and

2262
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:38,790
and funding Bigelow's funding abduction

2263
01:41:43,970 --> 01:41:41,730
research organizations he funded by the

2264
01:41:46,430 --> 01:41:43,980
way the third document the letter

2265
01:41:47,480 --> 01:41:46,440
Bigelow is telling telling Henry we're

2266
01:41:49,070 --> 01:41:47,490
gonna talk about this we're gonna talk

2267
01:41:52,970 --> 01:41:49,080
about this we're gonna talk about the

2268
01:41:56,150 --> 01:41:52,980
fact that we sent abduction implants

2269
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,160
removed implants we sent them to Los

2270
01:42:00,050 --> 01:41:58,320
Alamos they've got results for us we're

2271
01:42:03,770 --> 01:42:00,060
going to discuss those results from Los

2272
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,780
Alamos labs of these implants and you

2273
01:42:07,010 --> 01:42:05,280
know what whose implants those were

2274
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:07,020
those were all from dr. Roger Leir

2275
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,210
because they were funding the surgeries

2276
01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:11,760
of dr. Leir that's well-established they

2277
01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:13,320
were funding those surgeries it doesn't

2278
01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:15,180
mention Lear in the letter but anyone

2279
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:17,100
who knows the history knows okay these

2280
01:42:20,660 --> 01:42:18,810
are Lear's implants isn't that

2281
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:20,670
interesting all of you guys who had you

2282
01:42:24,290 --> 01:42:22,260
know surgeries with leered that your

2283
01:42:27,260 --> 01:42:24,300
implants went to Los Alamos but uh guess

2284
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:27,270
what that's it right there you know and

2285
01:42:32,030 --> 01:42:30,090
it shows and it shows the importance of

2286
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:32,040
abduction research in that letter it

2287
01:42:36,050 --> 01:42:33,930
states clearly repeatedly it's almost in

2288
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:36,060
every paragraph their interest in

2289
01:42:40,460 --> 01:42:38,130
abduction research it's clearly stated

2290
01:42:42,290 --> 01:42:40,470
and to Randi and I we already knew that

2291
01:42:44,210 --> 01:42:42,300
we knew it from multiple sources boom

2292
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:44,220
there's a whole new Oh brand-new

2293
01:42:48,380 --> 01:42:46,170
document backing up what we've been

2294
01:42:49,790 --> 01:42:48,390
saying about okay Melinda I'm gonna go

2295
01:42:52,340 --> 01:42:49,800
and break in here yeah I'm sorry I

2296
01:42:56,780 --> 01:42:52,350
didn't mean page fourteen at page 15 it

2297
01:42:57,740 --> 01:42:56,790
says TW UFOs are real so-called alien

2298
01:43:00,920 --> 01:42:57,750
abductions

2299
01:43:04,190 --> 01:43:00,930
not real gansler said this that's the

2300
01:43:07,190 --> 01:43:04,200
quote that comes from the alleged that

2301
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:07,200
smoking gun but the source he's getting

2302
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:08,730
it from this are the source but also

2303
01:43:11,900 --> 01:43:10,410
aren't going to tell him everything so

2304
01:43:13,670 --> 01:43:11,910
why would they tell him the truth about

2305
01:43:15,260 --> 01:43:13,680
that they're not telling him everything

2306
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:15,270
he's saying they're not giving me

2307
01:43:19,220 --> 01:43:16,920
everything I went to that meeting

2308
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:19,230
they're not giving me everything I did

2309
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:21,060
not get everything and and when they

2310
01:43:25,220 --> 01:43:23,010
told me this let's take it for what it's

2311
01:43:26,660 --> 01:43:25,230
worth it probably isn't true Wilson

2312
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:26,670
saying I was told it doesn't mean it's

2313
01:43:28,279 --> 01:43:26,970
true

2314
01:43:32,569 --> 01:43:28,289
it just means

2315
01:43:33,949 --> 01:43:32,579
says I was told this you know I'm it I

2316
01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:33,959
don't think that I don't think we need

2317
01:43:37,789 --> 01:43:36,209
to imply anything about what Wilson

2318
01:43:40,369 --> 01:43:37,799
believed or not believed there he's just

2319
01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:40,379
saying they told me this okay I'd like

2320
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:42,209
to let everybody know who Roger Leir was

2321
01:43:47,869 --> 01:43:42,449
I

2322
01:43:51,020 --> 01:43:47,879
about him back in the day he goes way

2323
01:43:52,849 --> 01:43:51,030
back and I think people need to

2324
01:43:55,399 --> 01:43:52,859
understand who he was he was an American

2325
01:43:58,189 --> 01:43:55,409
Poe diet I can never say this right by

2326
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:58,199
the way cocoa diet Rick doctor surgeon

2327
01:44:02,899 --> 01:44:00,719
yeah and you fall just best known as an

2328
01:44:05,299 --> 01:44:02,909
investigator of alleged alien implants

2329
01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:05,309
Lee wrote books such as the alien and

2330
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:06,780
the scalpel and appeared on various

2331
01:44:10,699 --> 01:44:08,489
radio and television shows including

2332
01:44:12,109 --> 01:44:10,709
coast-to-coast am claiming he had

2333
01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:12,119
discovered proof of non terrestrial

2334
01:44:16,309 --> 01:44:14,280
experimentation on man my god it's so

2335
01:44:19,549 --> 01:44:16,319
funny reading from wikipedia sometimes

2336
01:44:20,899 --> 01:44:19,559
isn't it I know yeah but yeah I didn't

2337
01:44:22,909 --> 01:44:20,909
need to pull up Wikipedia but I just

2338
01:44:24,859 --> 01:44:22,919
wanted to find out find something to

2339
01:44:26,209 --> 01:44:24,869
read about him quickly so folks can go

2340
01:44:28,429 --> 01:44:26,219
ahead and look him up I just want to

2341
01:44:32,119 --> 01:44:28,439
spell his last name so folks can

2342
01:44:35,839 --> 01:44:32,129
actually find him and that is l e r

2343
01:44:37,879 --> 01:44:35,849
Roger Leir and he was heavily involved

2344
01:44:40,399 --> 01:44:37,889
in ufology but anyway go ahead Melinda

2345
01:44:43,699 --> 01:44:40,409
to make your point sir he did 17 he did

2346
01:44:47,979 --> 01:44:43,709
17 surgical removal of alien implants

2347
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:47,989
the left the last surgery patient 17 a

2348
01:44:53,770 --> 01:44:50,489
documentary was made by a very good

2349
01:44:56,419 --> 01:44:53,780
documentary was made by Jeremy carbo

2350
01:44:58,189 --> 01:44:56,429
jeremy carr belt wrote an amazing doctor

2351
01:45:00,109 --> 01:44:58,199
who made it you know produced and

2352
01:45:03,049 --> 01:45:00,119
directed an amazing documentary about

2353
01:45:05,599 --> 01:45:03,059
that last surgery and the work of dr.

2354
01:45:07,579 --> 01:45:05,609
Roger Leir so for people to know more I

2355
01:45:10,729 --> 01:45:07,589
also recommend that they go and watch

2356
01:45:12,949 --> 01:45:10,739
patient 17 okay someone who wanted to

2357
01:45:16,699 --> 01:45:12,959
make a point so let me just go ahead and

2358
01:45:18,349 --> 01:45:16,709
bring this up regarding TW and this is

2359
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:18,359
okay so everybody understands I'm

2360
01:45:24,129 --> 01:45:19,679
reading this from the smoking gun

2361
01:45:26,599 --> 01:45:24,139
document and it says TW UFOs are real

2362
01:45:28,579 --> 01:45:26,609
so-called alien abductions not real

2363
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,589
gansler said this I'm pulling that from

2364
01:45:35,809 --> 01:45:31,679
the doc from The Smoking Gun memo as

2365
01:45:38,269 --> 01:45:35,819
it's called a one-inch Wilson never will

2366
01:45:41,269 --> 01:45:38,279
done odin gamblers having had told him

2367
01:45:42,899 --> 01:45:41,279
that okay hold on what I wanted to say

2368
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:42,909
is

2369
01:45:50,459 --> 01:45:47,050
if we are to not believe that one quote

2370
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:50,469
out of The Smoking Gun doc but believe

2371
01:45:53,939 --> 01:45:53,050
partner you know Wow I'm not saying

2372
01:45:55,919 --> 01:45:53,949
don't believe it

2373
01:45:58,859 --> 01:45:55,929
Wilson said it I don't doubt for a

2374
01:45:59,250 --> 01:45:58,869
minute that Wilson said Gansler told me

2375
01:46:02,359 --> 01:45:59,260
this

2376
01:46:04,770 --> 01:46:02,369
it doesn't mean Gansler was telling him

2377
01:46:06,419 --> 01:46:04,780
maybe cancer doesn't know about

2378
01:46:08,609 --> 01:46:06,429
obsessions there could be a million

2379
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:08,619
reasons why he would say oil abductions

2380
01:46:13,379 --> 01:46:11,290
are there could be a million reasons why

2381
01:46:15,359 --> 01:46:13,389
you would say that to Wilson so you

2382
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:15,369
can't read in who knows what get what

2383
01:46:19,589 --> 01:46:17,650
gambler meant maybe he did maybe he

2384
01:46:21,209 --> 01:46:19,599
wanted to not have Wilson look into

2385
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:21,219
abductions they think oh there's nothing

2386
01:46:25,890 --> 01:46:23,110
to that like don't bother looking maybe

2387
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:25,900
that was so you know I understand what

2388
01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:27,489
you mean when you say you can't read in

2389
01:46:31,979 --> 01:46:29,500
I get that from your perspective but I

2390
01:46:33,930 --> 01:46:31,989
always do I will always read into

2391
01:46:36,510 --> 01:46:33,940
documents it's just something I do well

2392
01:46:38,580 --> 01:46:36,520
we don't know why Gansler said it well

2393
01:46:42,540 --> 01:46:38,590
if we're believing that this is a real

2394
01:46:45,089 --> 01:46:42,550
interview and eric is writing down what

2395
01:46:46,919 --> 01:46:45,099
Wilson said Wilson is saying gambler

2396
01:46:49,050 --> 01:46:46,929
said there are none okay mate maybe

2397
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:49,060
gansler believed that in tonight you

2398
01:46:51,780 --> 01:46:50,320
know you guys are subduction so let's

2399
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:51,790
not even you know I don't want to go

2400
01:46:55,890 --> 01:46:53,590
there I'm an abject key I've had nine

2401
01:46:58,379 --> 01:46:55,900
mill events let's not go there

2402
01:47:00,810 --> 01:46:58,389
okay that's a person a button with me

2403
01:47:02,459 --> 01:47:00,820
obviously good and the third the third

2404
01:47:04,350 --> 01:47:02,469
thing which was came out with these

2405
01:47:05,490 --> 01:47:04,360
again if we think of these I don't want

2406
01:47:08,490 --> 01:47:05,500
to keep saying Bill tonight but I want

2407
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:08,500
to call these you know I want you to

2408
01:47:11,370 --> 01:47:09,730
call them the Mitchell documents all

2409
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:11,380
right you're right if there's no

2410
01:47:14,939 --> 01:47:12,880
absolute that they came from Mitchell I

2411
01:47:17,970 --> 01:47:14,949
guess we can but they came together you

2412
01:47:19,589 --> 01:47:17,980
can say these documents that were came

2413
01:47:21,660 --> 01:47:19,599
out together okay

2414
01:47:24,780 --> 01:47:21,670
from one single source it appears you

2415
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:24,790
know so if you know given that is highly

2416
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:26,650
likely because that's the story we're

2417
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:30,610
all are getting so far that that that

2418
01:47:35,729 --> 01:47:34,449
the third scene clearly shows and we

2419
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:35,739
know there's a long history there's no

2420
01:47:39,570 --> 01:47:37,449
question that knids had an interest in

2421
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:39,580
abductions I mean ID's itself it's fun

2422
01:47:44,209 --> 01:47:41,590
it funded what was you know became the

2423
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:44,219
carpenter debacle and and it funded a

2424
01:47:48,959 --> 01:47:47,530
the abduction transcription project of

2425
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:48,969
MUFON and you know everything so this

2426
01:47:53,939 --> 01:47:51,730
this is well established that they had a

2427
01:47:55,410 --> 01:47:53,949
huge interest they were working with

2428
01:47:58,680 --> 01:47:55,420
advocates and that they are

2429
01:48:00,930 --> 01:47:58,690
to this day at least you know when I met

2430
01:48:04,020 --> 01:48:00,940
with semi van a year and a half ago the

2431
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:04,030
first time for lunch where where he told

2432
01:48:08,700 --> 01:48:06,010
me and I didn't ask him this he offered

2433
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:08,710
this up the to the stars Academy as we

2434
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:10,090
know at the ten twelve people on their

2435
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:12,430
website that is the public face of the

2436
01:48:16,260 --> 01:48:13,930
bigger group that he said was more like

2437
01:48:17,610 --> 01:48:16,270
50 people in the recent conversation I

2438
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:17,620
just had with him I brought that up

2439
01:48:21,180 --> 01:48:19,930
again for clarity I specifically said

2440
01:48:22,770 --> 01:48:21,190
you once said to me is this still the

2441
01:48:24,690 --> 01:48:22,780
case he said yes

2442
01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:24,700
okay it's still the case it's a much

2443
01:48:29,460 --> 01:48:26,760
bigger group that's just the public face

2444
01:48:31,260 --> 01:48:29,470
realize it's a much bigger group of

2445
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:31,270
people running the show on this thing

2446
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:35,290
and and so you know so he said that and

2447
01:48:41,490 --> 01:48:39,040
part of that bigger group contains a

2448
01:48:44,610 --> 01:48:41,500
group of people doing research with

2449
01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:44,620
abductees an abduction organization they

2450
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:47,230
went I went it's in my presentation I

2451
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:50,800
went I went and called because I'd heard

2452
01:48:56,460 --> 01:48:53,890
a story regarding these guys trying to

2453
01:48:59,460 --> 01:48:56,470
fund free and they went to the board and

2454
01:49:03,930 --> 01:48:59,470
there was a I believe a conference that

2455
01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:03,940
called and where DeLong actually offered

2456
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:06,190
the board of directors for free money

2457
01:49:11,810 --> 01:49:08,460
for all their research and stuff free

2458
01:49:15,630 --> 01:49:11,820
ray tells me they knew at the time that

2459
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:15,640
because of the carpenter debacle and the

2460
01:49:20,730 --> 01:49:18,010
MUFON debacle and everything else they

2461
01:49:22,740 --> 01:49:20,740
said you know what no and they also said

2462
01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:22,750
we're we're you know CEO one three is

2463
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,910
nonprofit and they said we can't accept

2464
01:49:34,170 --> 01:49:32,320
corporate money so no we don't want your

2465
01:49:35,550 --> 01:49:34,180
money and that was their out but they

2466
01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:35,560
said we knew the history these these

2467
01:49:40,770 --> 01:49:37,750
guys had a history that wasn't good

2468
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:40,780
towards abductees and therefore no thank

2469
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:41,170
you

2470
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:43,450
we don't want to be involved a I guess

2471
01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:46,050
what free is very concerned of course

2472
01:49:53,250 --> 01:49:50,710
with the direction towards a kind of a

2473
01:49:55,140 --> 01:49:53,260
bent towards et's being a threat

2474
01:49:58,380 --> 01:49:55,150
obviously they're very concerned with

2475
01:50:01,410 --> 01:49:58,390
that well okay I just wanted to throw

2476
01:50:03,180 --> 01:50:01,420
that out there but but so that this

2477
01:50:06,510 --> 01:50:03,190
group has an interest in that

2478
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:06,520
whether one guy told Wilson something he

2479
01:50:11,570 --> 01:50:09,360
thinks or feels or he said he was told

2480
01:50:13,970 --> 01:50:11,580
or maybe he told Wilson to throw Wilson

2481
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:13,980
Ops III think it's such a minor pointed

2482
01:50:19,399 --> 01:50:16,800
it does not discredit the document come

2483
01:50:23,359 --> 01:50:19,409
on it's it's one it's one guy's opinion

2484
01:50:25,850 --> 01:50:23,369
that he's telling Wilson is if Wilson it

2485
01:50:27,919 --> 01:50:25,860
Wilson maybe quoting incorrectly it

2486
01:50:29,359 --> 01:50:27,929
doesn't mean a guy we don't know why the

2487
01:50:33,470 --> 01:50:29,369
guy well the same could be said about

2488
01:50:35,810 --> 01:50:33,480
the entire dock then if he could Wilson

2489
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:35,820
is quoting the guy accurately okay so if

2490
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:38,010
this is a true interview and Wilson's

2491
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:39,630
quoting the guy ACK really the guy told

2492
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:42,690
him that there that's it's don't again

2493
01:50:46,729 --> 01:50:45,360
but I told him that so much the guy told

2494
01:50:48,260 --> 01:50:46,739
him that it doesn't mean there's no

2495
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:48,270
abductions it doesn't mean the whole

2496
01:50:56,810 --> 01:50:53,489
thing you're putting words in my mouth I

2497
01:51:02,330 --> 01:50:56,820
would like to say I'm just getting

2498
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:02,340
worked out up here because I move on let

2499
01:51:05,899 --> 01:51:04,530
me just say one thing okay because for

2500
01:51:06,890 --> 01:51:05,909
the majority of the interview I would

2501
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:06,900
say percentage-wise

2502
01:51:12,290 --> 01:51:10,080
you've been able to speak about 90% of

2503
01:51:14,689 --> 01:51:12,300
it I would like to say just something

2504
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:14,699
okay and that is it's not really

2505
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:18,000
something that's that epic but I would

2506
01:51:24,140 --> 01:51:20,880
like to say that I do have a problem

2507
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:24,150
with that part of the document with

2508
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:26,159
regard it's saying alien abductions are

2509
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:27,690
not real and I'm not the only one on

2510
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:29,130
this because there's other people I know

2511
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:31,650
who feel the same way and now that's not

2512
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:33,330
to say these Doc's are not real I'm not

2513
01:51:38,209 --> 01:51:35,730
singing in that respect I'm not saying

2514
01:51:41,209 --> 01:51:38,219
that I'm just saying my perspective my

2515
01:51:44,090 --> 01:51:41,219
own personal opinion is alien abductions

2516
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:44,100
are real that was just the only point I

2517
01:51:48,979 --> 01:51:46,530
wanted to make aside from the other

2518
01:51:53,410 --> 01:51:48,989
point and that is that document does

2519
01:51:56,060 --> 01:51:53,420
state that there well obviously you know

2520
01:51:57,979 --> 01:51:56,070
wills quoting a guy we don't know why

2521
01:52:01,160 --> 01:51:57,989
the guy told Wilson that if this is all

2522
01:52:03,620 --> 01:52:01,170
an accurate and real document then you

2523
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:03,630
know it if it is we got you know based

2524
01:52:07,820 --> 01:52:05,610
on that premise then you go see Wilson's

2525
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:07,830
quoting this guy who knows why that guy

2526
01:52:11,660 --> 01:52:10,170
said that to Wilson it does Wilson's

2527
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,670
quoted it's probably coating them

2528
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:13,440
accurately it doesn't mean it's an

2529
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:14,940
accurate statement he's just quoting the

2530
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:17,520
guy telling them that you know so if

2531
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:19,110
we're to go straight forward with words

2532
01:52:23,060 --> 01:52:21,570
a quotes accurate I don't know all I

2533
01:52:25,390 --> 01:52:23,070
know is those three

2534
01:52:28,460 --> 01:52:25,400
paragraphs that are quotes between oak

2535
01:52:30,380 --> 01:52:28,470
Shannon and Wilson and Aaron Wilson

2536
01:52:31,010 --> 01:52:30,390
saying oak told me this and Eric we know

2537
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:31,020
all about it

2538
01:52:36,290 --> 01:52:34,170
i I have evidence in support of all that

2539
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:36,300
that I've come forward with now and I

2540
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:38,490
also have an addition story in that I

2541
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:41,370
went to Jim Sammy van and got a very

2542
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,570
similar response to Dolan and and Jim

2543
01:52:49,700 --> 01:52:47,520
said those additional things that I

2544
01:52:51,860 --> 01:52:49,710
thought were very telling he did admit

2545
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:51,870
to me they know people mentioned in it

2546
01:52:56,900 --> 01:52:55,170
you know and and that you know they

2547
01:52:59,240 --> 01:52:56,910
don't create grief for those people so

2548
01:53:03,550 --> 01:52:59,250
okay and I know there's a reason what

2549
01:53:06,410 --> 01:53:03,560
are you going to do if one of the folks

2550
01:53:09,460 --> 01:53:06,420
allegedly involved in a smoking gun dock

2551
01:53:13,460 --> 01:53:09,470
and I'm not talking about Miller either

2552
01:53:17,210 --> 01:53:13,470
state said that he is not involved with

2553
01:53:19,820 --> 01:53:17,220
this dock and not only is he not that he

2554
01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:19,830
believes this entire dock being The

2555
01:53:26,030 --> 01:53:23,580
Smoking Gun talk is a fake what is

2556
01:53:27,650 --> 01:53:26,040
everybody going to do then that's my

2557
01:53:29,870 --> 01:53:27,660
question you know what I think the

2558
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:29,880
answer is going to be I think it's going

2559
01:53:39,170 --> 01:53:33,650
to be the same thing and that is is that

2560
01:53:44,900 --> 01:53:39,180
by even saying something that that would

2561
01:53:47,480 --> 01:53:44,910
be considered a part of their hold on

2562
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:47,490
Melinda let me finish that by by saying

2563
01:53:51,590 --> 01:53:49,170
that they're not a part of that that

2564
01:53:54,230 --> 01:53:51,600
they're not allowed to say it because of

2565
01:53:56,060 --> 01:53:54,240
some NDA or something they signed so

2566
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,070
then we go back into our circular

2567
01:54:01,070 --> 01:53:58,560
discussion that an innocent person is

2568
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:01,080
not allowed to refute these documents

2569
01:54:06,260 --> 01:54:04,290
because everybody is saying oh no no

2570
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:06,270
they signed something to say they can't

2571
01:54:12,170 --> 01:54:08,130
say something so then how can an

2572
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:12,180
innocent person defend themselves well

2573
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:14,370
look I don't want to even go there I

2574
01:54:29,500 --> 01:54:23,610
don't know guys mention in the document

2575
01:54:35,090 --> 01:54:32,270
people in the document have been

2576
01:54:36,759 --> 01:54:35,100
approached and asked that's why I said

2577
01:54:39,069 --> 01:54:36,769
they circle the wagons they

2578
01:54:40,059 --> 01:54:39,079
locked arms they're all saying no

2579
01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:40,069
comment

2580
01:54:46,299 --> 01:54:42,729
well they're not all servers reef little

2581
01:54:49,169 --> 01:54:46,309
brief little things that aren't saying

2582
01:54:52,509 --> 01:54:49,179
it's real they're there they obviously

2583
01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:52,519
start speaking with a unanimous voice

2584
01:54:57,459 --> 01:54:55,609
they've spoken to each other there's an

2585
01:54:58,719 --> 01:54:57,469
agreement they're all coming across the

2586
01:55:01,209 --> 01:54:58,729
same way they're all saying similar

2587
01:55:03,519 --> 01:55:01,219
things where is your where is your

2588
01:55:05,739 --> 01:55:03,529
evidence that every single person in The

2589
01:55:14,769 --> 01:55:05,749
Smoking Gun doc I'm not saying everyone

2590
01:55:17,829 --> 01:55:14,779
did approach remains the same and that

2591
01:55:20,169 --> 01:55:17,839
is how can an innocent person defend

2592
01:55:24,699 --> 01:55:20,179
themselves from being accused of having

2593
01:55:26,679 --> 01:55:24,709
been involved in this doc allegedly that

2594
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:26,689
you know what they do because because

2595
01:55:32,079 --> 01:55:28,729
they have security oaths they say what

2596
01:55:34,329 --> 01:55:32,089
they're saying which is so we'll see to

2597
01:55:35,859 --> 01:55:34,339
me that there's no that that's why our

2598
01:55:39,519 --> 01:55:35,869
IRA brought that up

2599
01:55:43,359 --> 01:55:39,529
I already van told me no on the pension

2600
01:55:45,069 --> 01:55:43,369
in the document is correct they can't

2601
01:55:47,139 --> 01:55:45,079
comment on the whole thing so in other

2602
01:55:49,959 --> 01:55:47,149
words all they can do is say because

2603
01:55:54,779 --> 01:55:49,969
there because this may have classified

2604
01:55:57,339 --> 01:55:54,789
stuff we can't comment on it if a person

2605
01:56:01,089 --> 01:55:57,349
allegedly involved in The Smoking Gun

2606
01:56:04,059 --> 01:56:01,099
dog is truly innocent and they have

2607
01:56:05,339 --> 01:56:04,069
nothing to do with the document how are

2608
01:56:08,109 --> 01:56:05,349
they supposed to defend themselves

2609
01:56:10,209 --> 01:56:08,119
against something like that it's just

2610
01:56:13,089 --> 01:56:10,219
going to cut a circular conspiracy cut

2611
01:56:15,729 --> 01:56:13,099
it because their training and Jim

2612
01:56:17,879 --> 01:56:15,739
explained to me their CIA training there

2613
01:56:20,769 --> 01:56:17,889
their intelligence training is is

2614
01:56:23,739 --> 01:56:20,779
because of their security oath they

2615
01:56:25,149 --> 01:56:23,749
cannot comment it okay well I can't no

2616
01:56:28,059 --> 01:56:25,159
well I said what do you guys can do he

2617
01:56:30,459 --> 01:56:28,069
said all we can do is say no comment

2618
01:56:33,639 --> 01:56:30,469
that's all we can do so based on that

2619
01:56:36,309 --> 01:56:33,649
logic that type of logic according to

2620
01:56:38,259 --> 01:56:36,319
your logic how is anybody going to

2621
01:56:40,569 --> 01:56:38,269
defend themselves if they are truly

2622
01:56:44,259 --> 01:56:40,579
innocent as nothing to do with The

2623
01:56:45,729 --> 01:56:44,269
Smoking Gun dark but what do you mean

2624
01:56:46,799 --> 01:56:45,739
defend themself no one's being accused

2625
01:56:49,239 --> 01:56:46,809
of anything

2626
01:56:50,290 --> 01:56:49,249
John Alexander's being accused of being

2627
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:50,300
a liar

2628
01:56:58,920 --> 01:56:54,170
commander Miller okay you know what you

2629
01:57:01,900 --> 01:56:58,930
know John no comments in more men on it

2630
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:01,910
comment on it smoking gun doc that's

2631
01:57:06,250 --> 01:57:04,130
okay I don't want to go this I don't

2632
01:57:08,290 --> 01:57:06,260
want to do this with you guys we're in

2633
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:08,300
agreement here they they're they are

2634
01:57:17,220 --> 01:57:14,450
saying so far no comment they're not

2635
01:57:21,970 --> 01:57:17,230
denying it but they're saying no comment

2636
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:21,980
Miller he's not said a word John

2637
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:25,040
Alexander has well I'm ok I'm telling

2638
01:57:30,910 --> 01:57:26,960
you what I talked to did send me Ben

2639
01:57:33,220 --> 01:57:30,920
about that okay and and that is an

2640
01:57:35,950 --> 01:57:33,230
authority on John Alexander except for

2641
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,960
John Alexander no one can see I'm saying

2642
01:57:38,740 --> 01:57:37,520
him and send me ban talk all the time

2643
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:38,750
they're friends okay I'm just going with

2644
01:57:41,620 --> 01:57:40,370
what Jim said but they're saying no

2645
01:57:44,020 --> 01:57:41,630
comments they're all saying no you're on

2646
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:44,030
that that's the point to our 43 minute

2647
01:57:48,730 --> 01:57:45,890
conversation with him to explain to me

2648
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:48,740
why because of their security oath they

2649
01:58:01,960 --> 01:57:55,370
have to say no I'm not I'm not going to

2650
01:58:04,510 --> 01:58:01,970
accept it all I'm saying is I'm quoting

2651
01:58:07,780 --> 01:58:04,520
the guy that's it under what's exactly

2652
01:58:09,190 --> 01:58:07,790
guy as a researcher that no time that

2653
01:58:11,980 --> 01:58:09,200
means that's a roadblock there's no

2654
01:58:14,260 --> 01:58:11,990
point in pursuing it because that's just

2655
01:58:16,210 --> 01:58:14,270
be clear everybody understands john

2656
01:58:20,980 --> 01:58:16,220
alexander has not said a word about this

2657
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:20,990
and that does not mean he is involved in

2658
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:23,570
the dark he has to have an opportunity

2659
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:26,810
to defend himself and now he cannot

2660
01:58:33,550 --> 01:58:30,610
nobody doesn't know he doesn't need to

2661
01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:33,560
say no comment for the reason but the

2662
01:58:38,770 --> 01:58:36,080
reason Jim told me they can't say

2663
01:58:42,580 --> 01:58:38,780
anything else they're bound by security

2664
01:58:43,900 --> 01:58:42,590
oath no comment a no comment would be a

2665
01:58:45,550 --> 01:58:43,910
breach of security

2666
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:45,560
so then how are we so that's what

2667
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:47,810
they're saying look all I can do is

2668
01:58:52,930 --> 01:58:50,330
quote you know I can quote the gun and I

2669
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:52,940
and and and and she's always in quote

2670
01:58:57,460 --> 01:58:54,970
what household in that's all we got

2671
01:58:59,260 --> 01:58:57,470
exactly exactly exactly my point is

2672
01:59:01,300 --> 01:58:59,270
that's all they're going to give you so

2673
01:59:01,939 --> 01:59:01,310
some research needs to be done around

2674
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:01,949
like

2675
01:59:06,109 --> 01:59:04,530
your your research on the the meeting

2676
01:59:10,879 --> 01:59:06,119
and all that that's great stuff but

2677
01:59:14,989 --> 01:59:10,889
nobody is placed Wilson in Vegas on the

2678
01:59:16,879 --> 01:59:14,999
proposed purported you and many many

2679
01:59:18,799 --> 01:59:16,889
interviews bring that up you're right

2680
01:59:22,339 --> 01:59:18,809
Frank why don't you take that on why

2681
01:59:31,339 --> 01:59:22,349
don't you find went with what I've got

2682
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:31,349
and great wait I'm I'm sorry Frank I

2683
01:59:35,509 --> 01:59:32,610
heard the beginning the show before I

2684
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:35,519
went on you did break up a little in it

2685
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:37,050
so it'll part at the end of it was hard

2686
01:59:42,049 --> 01:59:39,090
to hear were you saying you did find

2687
01:59:46,879 --> 01:59:42,059
evidence placing him there no what I

2688
01:59:48,439 --> 01:59:46,889
found was that the FI oh let's see the

2689
01:59:52,069 --> 01:59:48,449
association of former intelligence

2690
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:52,079
officers the Vegas chapter was in fact

2691
02:00:01,790 --> 01:59:55,280
new as is mentioned in the Wilson notes

2692
02:00:03,469 --> 02:00:01,800
but what is not clear is that he

2693
02:00:05,390 --> 02:00:03,479
appeared there it seems as though he

2694
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:05,400
didn't and it seems as though in the

2695
02:00:10,069 --> 02:00:07,530
notes it's indicated that part of the

2696
02:00:11,629 --> 02:00:10,079
reason he is there is because of a some

2697
02:00:15,439 --> 02:00:11,639
unfinished business from when he was

2698
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:15,449
still on active duty and also to appear

2699
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:18,090
at it helped with getting this Vegas

2700
02:00:23,209 --> 02:00:20,249
chapter off the ground and there's no

2701
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:23,219
mention of him having appeared there in

2702
02:00:29,949 --> 02:00:25,110
the news and print the problem is even

2703
02:00:35,569 --> 02:00:32,899
it's not proof you met with Eric right

2704
02:00:38,660 --> 02:00:35,579
exactly it's not proof but let's say

2705
02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:38,670
what what if it were proven that he was

2706
02:00:46,629 --> 02:00:41,209
in let's say Minneapolis maybe

2707
02:00:51,890 --> 02:00:49,580
circumstantial that okay we can put him

2708
02:00:53,479 --> 02:00:51,900
there well we can relate these to

2709
02:00:55,339 --> 02:00:53,489
Mitchell you know so these are all

2710
02:01:03,129 --> 02:00:55,349
circumstantial things and you guys

2711
02:01:10,279 --> 02:01:06,080
I hope I don't get like attacked out

2712
02:01:14,300 --> 02:01:10,289
there in the field at all I just think I

2713
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:15,860
Semmy van because i'm in that unique

2714
02:01:20,270 --> 02:01:18,090
position I understand that but I'd like

2715
02:01:22,160 --> 02:01:20,280
to say is I just wanted to say something

2716
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:22,170
real quick I find it quite hilarious

2717
02:01:26,630 --> 02:01:23,730
something that happened to me recently

2718
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:26,640
and that is I was I'm not going to make

2719
02:01:30,770 --> 02:01:28,410
I'm not going to mention any names I'm

2720
02:01:32,420 --> 02:01:30,780
just gonna say what happened and I do

2721
02:01:34,910 --> 02:01:32,430
have witnesses regarding what happened

2722
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:34,920
there were actually a multitude of them

2723
02:01:39,140 --> 02:01:36,930
that witnessed what happened to me and

2724
02:01:42,260 --> 02:01:39,150
this is related to what we're talking

2725
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:42,270
about I was in a group discussing the

2726
02:01:48,620 --> 02:01:45,450
idea of hoping for more research and

2727
02:01:51,620 --> 02:01:48,630
data evidence and possibly more proof

2728
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:51,630
and another individual entered into that

2729
02:01:57,050 --> 02:01:56,010
thread and personally attacked me for a

2730
02:01:59,420 --> 02:01:57,060
very long time

2731
02:02:02,480 --> 02:01:59,430
and then took me on to someone else's

2732
02:02:05,180 --> 02:02:02,490
timeline to try and prove that The

2733
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:05,190
Smoking Gun Doc's were real by making

2734
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:07,170
someone else tell me they word that was

2735
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:09,810
a very high-profile person and that

2736
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:11,730
worked against them when they did that

2737
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:13,530
because it's when that high profile

2738
02:02:19,780 --> 02:02:16,370
person realized that this person was a

2739
02:02:24,590 --> 02:02:19,790
verbally uh basically abusing me and

2740
02:02:29,180 --> 02:02:24,600
trying to attack me for my my well then

2741
02:02:31,820 --> 02:02:29,190
I expected that that happened let me let

2742
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:31,830
me finish when that high profile person

2743
02:02:37,730 --> 02:02:33,840
realized what was going on they then

2744
02:02:39,890 --> 02:02:37,740
told that person this if a researcher

2745
02:02:43,730 --> 02:02:39,900
does not have the right to question a

2746
02:02:46,700 --> 02:02:43,740
topic how does that keep the topic

2747
02:02:49,940 --> 02:02:46,710
honest it doesn't so then what happened

2748
02:02:51,710 --> 02:02:49,950
after that is a per se person who

2749
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:51,720
decided to go ahead and go on that

2750
02:02:56,510 --> 02:02:53,610
rampage against me which was quite

2751
02:02:59,030 --> 02:02:56,520
hilarious they then threatened to out

2752
02:03:00,440 --> 02:02:59,040
that person on something that I don't

2753
02:03:02,540 --> 02:03:00,450
know whether it was true or not but it

2754
02:03:04,970 --> 02:03:02,550
was something meaningless because they

2755
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:04,980
didn't get their way and something I'd

2756
02:03:12,260 --> 02:03:08,850
like to see about that is this I will

2757
02:03:17,380 --> 02:03:12,270
never ever blindly believe something

2758
02:03:23,060 --> 02:03:17,390
without information evidence and or

2759
02:03:26,810 --> 02:03:23,070
proof and and I don't care what anybody

2760
02:03:28,250 --> 02:03:26,820
says they are not going to kowtow me for

2761
02:03:30,770 --> 02:03:28,260
not jumping on

2762
02:03:33,140 --> 02:03:30,780
becoming a bandwagon er and a fanboy of

2763
02:03:36,260 --> 02:03:33,150
a conspiracy or a theory or a

2764
02:03:40,070 --> 02:03:36,270
hypothetical or anything I will believe

2765
02:03:42,860 --> 02:03:40,080
and what I want if I happen to have an

2766
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:42,870
opinion and if I want to research it I

2767
02:03:49,730 --> 02:03:45,690
will and I have noticed that ever since

2768
02:03:50,990 --> 02:03:49,740
I have contacted folks involved with The

2769
02:03:53,870 --> 02:03:51,000
Smoking Gun Doc's

2770
02:03:57,110 --> 02:03:53,880
a smoking gun doc and also the alien

2771
02:03:59,600 --> 02:03:57,120
autopsy doc I have had a huge amount of

2772
02:04:02,030 --> 02:03:59,610
support for people saying yes good do

2773
02:04:04,750 --> 02:04:02,040
you research it go ahead and gain the

2774
02:04:08,990 --> 02:04:04,760
data whatever data I mean you may find

2775
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:09,000
compile it and then share it if you wish

2776
02:04:17,150 --> 02:04:12,450
I have another very small group of

2777
02:04:20,780 --> 02:04:17,160
people who have actually put for some

2778
02:04:23,540 --> 02:04:20,790
weird reason hated me for researching it

2779
02:04:26,060 --> 02:04:23,550
and have acted out against me in their

2780
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:26,070
own childish way and what I have to say

2781
02:04:31,670 --> 02:04:29,730
to that is that's too bad if you don't

2782
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:31,680
like it that I'm searching these

2783
02:04:36,410 --> 02:04:34,050
documents and interviewing people about

2784
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:36,420
them because nothing is going to stop me

2785
02:04:41,150 --> 02:04:38,490
from doing that and another thing I'd

2786
02:04:43,190 --> 02:04:41,160
like to say is just because I'm

2787
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:43,200
researching them does not mean I'm

2788
02:04:50,510 --> 02:04:47,040
saying oh these documents are fake what

2789
02:04:55,460 --> 02:04:50,520
I'm saying is this it's distinctly

2790
02:04:59,180 --> 02:04:55,470
different I need evidence and proof that

2791
02:05:02,210 --> 02:04:59,190
these Doc's are real and there's nothing

2792
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:02,220
wrong with that well that's why I came

2793
02:05:06,860 --> 02:05:04,560
forward because exactly what you're

2794
02:05:09,170 --> 02:05:06,870
saying with the puzzle pieces that I had

2795
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:09,180
both the comments from my conversation

2796
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:10,800
with Jim because that was uniquely

2797
02:05:16,970 --> 02:05:13,290
separate combined with that I had a

2798
02:05:19,490 --> 02:05:16,980
document about a meeting referenced

2799
02:05:21,530 --> 02:05:19,500
within the interview and I felt I should

2800
02:05:24,170 --> 02:05:21,540
come forward with something so at least

2801
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:24,180
I can say this part is true I'm not

2802
02:05:28,970 --> 02:05:27,330
saying the whole I do want to jump in

2803
02:05:30,830 --> 02:05:28,980
and I don't want to speak for Chad but I

2804
02:05:32,980 --> 02:05:30,840
do want to say I'm absolutely convinced

2805
02:05:35,210 --> 02:05:32,990
that this Admiral Wilson document is

2806
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:35,220
exceptionally well researched if not

2807
02:05:40,370 --> 02:05:37,410
genuine I will say that it's well

2808
02:05:44,270 --> 02:05:42,950
I I'm with you guys I'm actually Frank I

2809
02:05:47,570 --> 02:05:44,280
just completely agree with what you just

2810
02:05:51,830 --> 02:05:47,580
said so I think you know we're learning

2811
02:05:53,810 --> 02:05:51,840
yeah we wish the person ever leaked

2812
02:05:55,790 --> 02:05:53,820
these would you know come forward maybe

2813
02:05:58,210 --> 02:05:55,800
they will at some point we're left with

2814
02:06:00,680 --> 02:05:58,220
the documents and a little bit of

2815
02:06:02,750 --> 02:06:00,690
provenance in a little bit of the

2816
02:06:05,060 --> 02:06:02,760
background and focus to the content of

2817
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:05,070
them because there's some really

2818
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:08,010
powerful things if if this is a real

2819
02:06:11,330 --> 02:06:09,450
interview and Wilson wheeler said this

2820
02:06:12,770 --> 02:06:11,340
and he went out and tried to really find

2821
02:06:15,770 --> 02:06:12,780
that analyst and let's be clear here

2822
02:06:17,420 --> 02:06:15,780
that even if the document itself is fake

2823
02:06:19,820 --> 02:06:17,430
it may be telling some very interesting

2824
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:19,830
truths contained and that too and that

2825
02:06:24,710 --> 02:06:22,770
too and if it is real and it's very open

2826
02:06:26,900 --> 02:06:24,720
if they're known it's like you know I'll

2827
02:06:28,460 --> 02:06:26,910
throw out my whole scenario if it's mid

2828
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:28,470
slash working group you know flash bass

2829
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:31,170
you know sending Eric you know okay go

2830
02:06:35,690 --> 02:06:33,210
check this out and he goes and checks it

2831
02:06:38,420 --> 02:06:35,700
out and and interviews the guy and then

2832
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:38,430
copies it for everyone you know if it's

2833
02:06:42,590 --> 02:06:40,320
in fact that's the background story that

2834
02:06:44,900 --> 02:06:42,600
placed him there and oak Shan had made

2835
02:06:47,690 --> 02:06:44,910
the connection to place him there okay

2836
02:06:49,610 --> 02:06:47,700
let's say all that's you know true he

2837
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,620
interviews him he shares it with

2838
02:06:53,420 --> 02:06:51,360
everyone in it obviously they had an

2839
02:06:56,270 --> 02:06:53,430
interest a very vested interest in the

2840
02:06:57,830 --> 02:06:56,280
results of that and the guy said look I

2841
02:07:00,560 --> 02:06:57,840
looked into this and I was shut out the

2842
02:07:02,900 --> 02:07:00,570
main core story here of this document if

2843
02:07:04,070 --> 02:07:02,910
it's real and no one lose track of you

2844
02:07:07,490 --> 02:07:04,080
know well why does this even matter

2845
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:07,500
first off a guy who was head of the

2846
02:07:12,170 --> 02:07:09,840
intelligence for joint chief that the

2847
02:07:14,120 --> 02:07:12,180
assistant director of intelligence for

2848
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:14,130
the Joint Chiefs of Staff the position

2849
02:07:20,630 --> 02:07:17,280
as n2 was was shut out from looking into

2850
02:07:22,670 --> 02:07:20,640
this that's huge and then he was told a

2851
02:07:27,500 --> 02:07:22,680
little bit and the little bit he was

2852
02:07:29,300 --> 02:07:27,510
told is a time bomb you know that's a

2853
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:29,310
time bomb the little pieces he was told

2854
02:07:34,340 --> 02:07:30,960
if in fact that's true and if in fact

2855
02:07:36,110 --> 02:07:34,350
you were truly told that okay so he was

2856
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:36,120
told that that's a time bomb but it also

2857
02:07:39,770 --> 02:07:38,370
suggests well they weren't reading him

2858
02:07:41,720 --> 02:07:39,780
into the whole program they're certainly

2859
02:07:43,820 --> 02:07:41,730
not telling him everything so they're

2860
02:07:46,610 --> 02:07:43,830
just telling him a little bit but

2861
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:46,620
because they probably given his position

2862
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:48,690
and he said this is my purview you guys

2863
02:07:52,970 --> 02:07:50,610
fell under me this would be my job you

2864
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:52,980
I'd be your I'd be your boss's boss on

2865
02:07:57,740 --> 02:07:54,800
this stuff yeah

2866
02:07:59,840 --> 02:07:57,750
these dogs just to fill people in if

2867
02:08:02,570 --> 02:07:59,850
they're not aware Mitchell and Greer

2868
02:08:04,580 --> 02:08:02,580
spoke publicly about this meeting in the

2869
02:08:08,590 --> 02:08:04,590
aftermath of it long before these dogs

2870
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:08,600
that was the initial meeting where where

2871
02:08:13,850 --> 02:08:12,090
where they were Joel Greer telling him

2872
02:08:15,020 --> 02:08:13,860
all about the disclosure project and

2873
02:08:16,130 --> 02:08:15,030
what they were doing and the people

2874
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:16,140
coming forward and what was not you know

2875
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:17,970
wherever wherever they were all briefing

2876
02:08:23,780 --> 02:08:21,810
him on caused him to go huh maybe I

2877
02:08:26,900 --> 02:08:23,790
should ask around and then he spent some

2878
02:08:29,060 --> 02:08:26,910
time asking around you know it was told

2879
02:08:31,070 --> 02:08:29,070
just a little but not being able to be

2880
02:08:32,810 --> 02:08:31,080
read in or told more apparently made him

2881
02:08:35,420 --> 02:08:32,820
furious and angry

2882
02:08:37,190 --> 02:08:35,430
Oh having had probably you know being a

2883
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:37,200
naval intelligence I so Chams background

2884
02:08:43,160 --> 02:08:40,410
worked with him knew he was mad and said

2885
02:08:44,570 --> 02:08:43,170
hey hey to his buddies at nits hey you

2886
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:44,580
guys should talk to this guy you should

2887
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:45,840
you should hear what I'm here in front

2888
02:08:50,750 --> 02:08:48,480
of you know it all makes perfect sense

2889
02:08:52,700 --> 02:08:50,760
to me okay and who says oh okay well

2890
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:52,710
we'll send Eric you know get Eric's a

2891
02:08:56,650 --> 02:08:54,330
good guy don't like you like Eric what's

2892
02:08:59,150 --> 02:08:56,660
that Eric I can just imagine you know I

2893
02:09:02,240 --> 02:08:59,160
am imagining but I just did you know

2894
02:09:03,890 --> 02:09:02,250
cement and they're so they sent Eric and

2895
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:03,900
Eric interview them and he shares the

2896
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:06,210
documents with them and someone who got

2897
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:09,360
that document is connected to someone

2898
02:09:14,090 --> 02:09:11,730
who released it and I and again I go to

2899
02:09:15,020 --> 02:09:14,100
that likely source being in the files of

2900
02:09:16,820 --> 02:09:15,030
Mitchell

2901
02:09:18,650 --> 02:09:16,830
because after his death a couple people

2902
02:09:22,010 --> 02:09:18,660
had access to his files so there you go

2903
02:09:25,330 --> 02:09:22,020
so and that's that's that's what I'm

2904
02:09:29,540 --> 02:09:25,340
offering up that's as much as as I know

2905
02:09:31,940 --> 02:09:29,550
but you know to understand the whole

2906
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:31,950
scenario the group why Eric was there

2907
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:33,810
what's the Oceania thing all that if

2908
02:09:38,900 --> 02:09:37,050
people watch my presentation that I you

2909
02:09:40,820 --> 02:09:38,910
know gave and that's not about me it's

2910
02:09:43,130 --> 02:09:40,830
about the information there it's about

2911
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:43,140
twenty eight years or work that Randy

2912
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:44,880
and I did you're gonna get a huge

2913
02:09:49,580 --> 02:09:47,850
insight I'm going on we're on over two

2914
02:09:53,630 --> 02:09:49,590
hours here so we're we do want to wrap

2915
02:09:55,610 --> 02:09:53,640
up I know a little bit at certain points

2916
02:09:57,980 --> 02:09:55,620
in time we love your research on the

2917
02:10:01,100 --> 02:09:57,990
back end and yeah if nobody else wants

2918
02:10:02,900 --> 02:10:01,110
to do it and I think we're I think the

2919
02:10:05,630 --> 02:10:02,910
three of us here are in a mutual

2920
02:10:07,939 --> 02:10:05,640
admiration society you know absolutely I

2921
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:07,949
mean we're you know

2922
02:10:11,779 --> 02:10:09,690
we're emotionally involved and that's

2923
02:10:14,149 --> 02:10:11,789
okay because we care because we're

2924
02:10:16,250 --> 02:10:14,159
passionate about the subject we compare

2925
02:10:19,100 --> 02:10:16,260
our emotions aside and go okay let's

2926
02:10:21,949 --> 02:10:19,110
stick with the facts let's stick with

2927
02:10:24,140 --> 02:10:21,959
you know the evidence and and and and I

2928
02:10:26,779 --> 02:10:24,150
applaud you guys for addressing this you

2929
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:26,789
know a lot of a lot of the field doesn't

2930
02:10:29,870 --> 02:10:28,110
care about this right now

2931
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:29,880
and to me that's a shame because I think

2932
02:10:36,620 --> 02:10:32,639
they're missing the point the point is

2933
02:10:38,029 --> 02:10:36,630
that again the findings of Wilson if in

2934
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:38,039
fact this interview happened this is

2935
02:10:42,049 --> 02:10:40,050
Goga Wilson document you know I'll start

2936
02:10:44,449 --> 02:10:42,059
with that in the Wilson document if if

2937
02:10:46,339 --> 02:10:44,459
this you know conversation stuff

2938
02:10:47,330 --> 02:10:46,349
happened and Wilson really was shut out

2939
02:10:49,669 --> 02:10:47,340
from these things

2940
02:10:52,899 --> 02:10:49,679
that's huge it speaks to how the

2941
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:52,909
cover-up happens it is it it explains

2942
02:10:58,549 --> 02:10:55,530
how some of the cover-up happens how

2943
02:11:01,459 --> 02:10:58,559
it's privatized how it's gone to private

2944
02:11:03,439 --> 02:11:01,469
industry that's huge and then the

2945
02:11:06,379 --> 02:11:03,449
document the people telling him this

2946
02:11:08,359 --> 02:11:06,389
mention mj-12 so he's saying they told

2947
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:08,369
him about MJ flow which is that here you

2948
02:11:14,390 --> 02:11:11,360
have a total independent document

2949
02:11:18,410 --> 02:11:14,400
suggesting the reality of mj-12 okay

2950
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:18,420
then also you know besides it being at

2951
02:11:23,930 --> 02:11:19,650
the reality of mj-12

2952
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:23,940
besides it being about this guy in his

2953
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:26,610
level being the position of j2 not

2954
02:11:31,879 --> 02:11:29,010
having access to it and how the

2955
02:11:33,790 --> 02:11:31,889
compartmentalization works but what is

2956
02:11:38,449 --> 02:11:33,800
the information doesn't have access to

2957
02:11:41,899 --> 02:11:38,459
crush retrieved technology working craft

2958
02:11:44,839 --> 02:11:41,909
in our possession and a reverse

2959
02:11:48,589 --> 02:11:44,849
engineering program being managed by

2960
02:11:50,120 --> 02:11:48,599
private industry on behalf of a secret

2961
02:11:51,979 --> 02:11:50,130
or shadow government shadow space

2962
02:11:55,239 --> 02:11:51,989
program I mean it's all spelled out in

2963
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:55,249
this if this is real and that's why it's

2964
02:11:59,299 --> 02:11:57,599
important do we know what everyone says

2965
02:12:01,640 --> 02:11:59,309
well we're we knew that yeah but how

2966
02:12:05,719 --> 02:12:01,650
many times have we a documentation in

2967
02:12:08,270 --> 02:12:05,729
support of what we quote know or what we

2968
02:12:10,339 --> 02:12:08,280
figured out you know very rare okay and

2969
02:12:12,529 --> 02:12:10,349
this is actually a document in support

2970
02:12:16,189 --> 02:12:12,539
that and then the additional letter gets

2971
02:12:18,439 --> 02:12:16,199
into lids and their interest and an

2972
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:18,449
abduction research which like I said to

2973
02:12:21,649 --> 02:12:21,119
Randy and I so big and you know and and

2974
02:12:22,910 --> 02:12:21,659
and for

2975
02:12:25,550 --> 02:12:22,920
and everything you know and their

2976
02:12:28,340 --> 02:12:25,560
involvement and then you know the

2977
02:12:30,530 --> 02:12:28,350
original thing released speaks to the

2978
02:12:31,790 --> 02:12:30,540
Santilli step note could be and someone

2979
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:31,800
said well did they actually think that

2980
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:33,780
was real and I said look back when those

2981
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:35,130
emails happen

2982
02:12:39,740 --> 02:12:37,770
the majority of ufology thought it was

2983
02:12:40,669 --> 02:12:39,750
real you know so they could have been

2984
02:12:42,979 --> 02:12:40,679
looking into it

2985
02:12:45,260 --> 02:12:42,989
do they still feel that way about it now

2986
02:12:46,189 --> 02:12:45,270
who knows maybe they don't still feel

2987
02:12:48,590 --> 02:12:46,199
about it that way

2988
02:12:50,090 --> 02:12:48,600
maybe at the time they did but doesn't

2989
02:12:52,280 --> 02:12:50,100
mean they feel that way now it just

2990
02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:52,290
means like all of you fought G was

2991
02:12:56,330 --> 02:12:53,730
believing it back then we didn't have

2992
02:12:58,250 --> 02:12:56,340
all the facts to make a decision so they

2993
02:13:01,010 --> 02:12:58,260
were talking based upon the information

2994
02:13:03,140 --> 02:13:01,020
they had a million and I'd be very

2995
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:03,150
surprised if the individuals and I

2996
02:13:07,910 --> 02:13:05,280
should call Jim semi van and say okay

2997
02:13:10,370 --> 02:13:07,920
that first thing do any of you guys

2998
02:13:11,660 --> 02:13:10,380
actually feel that that the person he'd

2999
02:13:15,220 --> 02:13:11,670
say no comment because you know I

3000
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:15,230
couldn't even say how they feel about

3001
02:13:21,020 --> 02:13:19,290
about the the autopsy film or the you

3002
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:21,030
know the whole Santilli story he said he

3003
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:23,130
probably couldn't even comment on it

3004
02:13:28,370 --> 02:13:26,730
because again if one word let alone is

3005
02:13:31,010 --> 02:13:28,380
quoting him a sentence in there is

3006
02:13:32,899 --> 02:13:31,020
covert you know is is classified they

3007
02:13:33,979 --> 02:13:32,909
can't talk about so he pries say we

3008
02:13:35,209 --> 02:13:33,989
don't have a position on it

3009
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:35,219
he'd probably okay and I'm glad I

3010
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:37,290
brought up yes until he film I just want

3011
02:13:41,810 --> 02:13:38,400
to go ahead make a comment on that

3012
02:13:46,129 --> 02:13:41,820
regarding earlier to data talk with Dave

3013
02:13:49,750 --> 02:13:46,139
Altman a wonderful person and he told me

3014
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:49,760
right after he spoke to Ray Santilli

3015
02:13:57,620 --> 02:13:54,719
that because he actually contacted him

3016
02:13:59,840 --> 02:13:57,630
and actually nobody had contacted him so

3017
02:14:02,140 --> 02:13:59,850
kudos to him for having done his

3018
02:14:04,610 --> 02:14:02,150
research and due diligence regarding

3019
02:14:08,390 --> 02:14:04,620
doing something nobody had done before

3020
02:14:12,080 --> 02:14:08,400
and a letter that ray wrote back to him

3021
02:14:13,550 --> 02:14:12,090
it was an email it says Dave thank you

3022
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:13,560
for the link I have always maintained

3023
02:14:17,240 --> 02:14:15,570
the alien autopsy footage is real and

3024
02:14:20,270 --> 02:14:17,250
that my story and respect of the its

3025
02:14:22,399 --> 02:14:20,280
acquisition is true yes we restored and

3026
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:22,409
enhanced parts of the footage but it

3027
02:14:26,180 --> 02:14:24,239
doesn't alter the significance of the

3028
02:14:28,250 --> 02:14:26,190
film and what it represents I have

3029
02:14:29,899 --> 02:14:28,260
purposely kept away from further comment

3030
02:14:31,700 --> 02:14:29,909
but I'm very pleased that official

3031
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:31,710
documents are now surfacing which help

3032
02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:34,810
verify the events of the 1947 of

3033
02:14:39,240 --> 02:14:37,330
19:47 and the film which I still have I

3034
02:14:41,010 --> 02:14:39,250
have remained confident over the years

3035
02:14:43,380 --> 02:14:41,020
that evidence would surface in support

3036
02:14:46,590 --> 02:14:43,390
of the film and all I needed to do was

3037
02:14:48,210 --> 02:14:46,600
wait regards and it was Ray who said

3038
02:14:49,770 --> 02:14:48,220
that to embrace Antilles so that's some

3039
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:49,780
interesting news that came out tonight

3040
02:14:55,140 --> 02:14:51,970
and I thank you Dave very much for

3041
02:15:01,500 --> 02:14:55,150
having contacted Ray and would like to

3042
02:15:03,300 --> 02:15:01,510
state that I also want to say it's very

3043
02:15:07,530 --> 02:15:03,310
important people get to Sedona Arizona

3044
02:15:10,050 --> 02:15:07,540
too please contact melinda leslie do one

3045
02:15:11,970 --> 02:15:10,060
of her tours I plan on doing it myself

3046
02:15:14,580 --> 02:15:11,980
Sedona is one of the most beautiful

3047
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:14,590
parts of Arizona and she does an

3048
02:15:19,650 --> 02:15:16,810
absolutely lovely to her she has

3049
02:15:21,660 --> 02:15:19,660
military style of binoculars that have

3050
02:15:25,500 --> 02:15:21,670
night vision so folks can actually see

3051
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:25,510
the beautiful sky and see the UFOs above

3052
02:15:29,850 --> 02:15:28,330
and satellites as well along with

3053
02:15:33,390 --> 02:15:29,860
anything else that might be up in the

3054
02:15:35,970 --> 02:15:33,400
sky that's worth looking at Melinda you

3055
02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:35,980
mentioned that you do that at dusk in

3056
02:15:40,710 --> 02:15:38,110
Sedona and it depends on the time of

3057
02:15:42,660 --> 02:15:40,720
year we only have about two minutes left

3058
02:15:44,790 --> 02:15:42,670
here did you want to just mention a

3059
02:15:47,130 --> 02:15:44,800
little bit about that lovely tour you do

3060
02:15:48,780 --> 02:15:47,140
yeah yeah I I mean I guarantee sightings

3061
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:48,790
your money back and it's a good thing we

3062
02:15:52,590 --> 02:15:50,290
really see stuff or I'd go broke in a

3063
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:52,600
hurry but I do about a year into it we

3064
02:15:55,860 --> 02:15:53,770
were seeing stuff every time I never

3065
02:15:57,720 --> 02:15:55,870
dreamt in a million years when I started

3066
02:16:00,060 --> 02:15:57,730
doing these tours we'd have sightings

3067
02:16:02,070 --> 02:16:00,070
every time but we do and I'm it's not

3068
02:16:04,410 --> 02:16:02,080
just satellite folks I spend a half hour

3069
02:16:07,650 --> 02:16:04,420
in the beginning educating everybody on

3070
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:07,660
everything up in the sky and probably 15

3071
02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:09,070
minutes of that half hour it's all about

3072
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:11,170
satellites so you guys know when you're

3073
02:16:13,740 --> 02:16:12,370
seeing them I've taken out many

3074
02:16:14,910 --> 02:16:13,750
satellite experts I've learned the

3075
02:16:17,220 --> 02:16:14,920
restrictions what they can do what they

3076
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:17,230
can't do and we see things that stop

3077
02:16:22,470 --> 02:16:20,170
turn change direction fly in formations

3078
02:16:25,020 --> 02:16:22,480
we've seen objects growing all amber all

3079
02:16:27,540 --> 02:16:25,030
blue all green you know which is ionized

3080
02:16:29,790 --> 02:16:27,550
air of a huge electrical field you know

3081
02:16:31,770 --> 02:16:29,800
we flash them with the laser we've had

3082
02:16:33,510 --> 02:16:31,780
objects flash back we go one two three

3083
02:16:35,580 --> 02:16:33,520
they go one two three you know this kind

3084
02:16:39,150 --> 02:16:35,590
of thing we've seen fully structured

3085
02:16:42,060 --> 02:16:39,160
crap you know big discs big ovals big

3086
02:16:45,930 --> 02:16:42,070
great big triangles big cylinders big

3087
02:16:48,510 --> 02:16:45,940
boomerang shapes on 24 of the tours 36

3088
02:16:50,730 --> 02:16:48,520
structured objects 36 structured

3089
02:16:52,650 --> 02:16:50,740
objects on 24 the tours luckily we

3090
02:16:53,520 --> 02:16:52,660
always see stuff like I said or I'd go

3091
02:16:55,380 --> 02:16:53,530
broke in a hurry

3092
02:16:56,850 --> 02:16:55,390
and that's even discounting all the

3093
02:16:59,491 --> 02:16:56,860
satellites we're seeing stuff that

3094
02:17:02,581 --> 02:16:59,501
clearly is doing things satellites can't

3095
02:17:05,491 --> 02:17:02,591
do anyway so I love doing it I've taken

3096
02:17:08,820 --> 02:17:05,501
out as you said earlier over 7500 people

3097
02:17:13,621 --> 02:17:08,830
I've done 1000s last night last night

3098
02:17:14,970 --> 02:17:13,631
was tour number 1050 the other thing I

3099
02:17:16,650 --> 02:17:14,980
want to let everybody know is a

3100
02:17:18,930 --> 02:17:16,660
wonderful new film documentary

3101
02:17:21,210 --> 02:17:18,940
extraordinary the seating I did share

3102
02:17:22,650 --> 02:17:21,220
the link also just so you know the three

3103
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:22,660
links you shared with us tonight Melinda

3104
02:17:26,070 --> 02:17:24,160
Frank actually sharing them in the

3105
02:17:28,411 --> 02:17:26,080
summary beneath a post I also shared

3106
02:17:30,780 --> 02:17:28,421
them in the chat so it's a new film

3107
02:17:33,331 --> 02:17:30,790
documentary extra-extraordinary the

3108
02:17:34,741 --> 02:17:33,341
seating and to see the film's trailer go

3109
02:17:37,230 --> 02:17:34,751
ahead and click on one of those links

3110
02:17:40,470 --> 02:17:37,240
and also Melinda's website which is UFO

3111
02:17:43,291 --> 02:17:40,480
sighting tours calm that's UFO sighting

3112
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:43,301
tours calm Melinda thank you for having

3113
02:17:47,701 --> 02:17:44,770
been on the show we actually interviewed

3114
02:17:50,010 --> 02:17:47,711
you I think it was on the 14th of this

3115
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:50,020
year so it was a to 14 of this year

3116
02:17:54,270 --> 02:17:52,330
believe it was and it was a lovely

3117
02:17:55,890 --> 02:17:54,280
interview was about mill labs and we

3118
02:17:57,991 --> 02:17:55,900
look forward to having the privilege and

3119
02:17:59,640 --> 02:17:58,001
honor of interviewing you again thank

3120
02:18:01,440 --> 02:17:59,650
you for having been with us and I

3121
02:18:03,630 --> 02:18:01,450
appreciate that you guys are willing to

3122
02:18:05,970 --> 02:18:03,640
have such a lively discussion with me

3123
02:18:07,621 --> 02:18:05,980
you know we can agree to disagree on

3124
02:18:11,241 --> 02:18:07,631
some points and yet we're all in this

3125
02:18:13,380 --> 02:18:11,251
together where we're all equal with

3126
02:18:15,180 --> 02:18:13,390
passionate about the truth of the

3127
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:15,190
subject and I think we're you know

3128
02:18:20,310 --> 02:18:16,810
definitely like I said a mutual

3129
02:18:23,070 --> 02:18:20,320
admiration society between the three of

3130
02:18:25,350 --> 02:18:23,080
us and and I had nothing but respect for

3131
02:18:27,661 --> 02:18:25,360
you guys and what you do and I very much

3132
02:18:29,581 --> 02:18:27,671
appreciate coming on the show we are

3133
02:18:31,170 --> 02:18:29,591
grateful and honored and privileged to

3134
02:18:41,720 --> 02:18:31,180
have you had you on our show Thank You

3135
02:18:44,970 --> 02:18:41,730
Melinda there was fun thank you alright

3136
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:44,980
thanks again and chant we're gonna wrap

3137
02:18:49,411 --> 02:18:47,530
this up I do want to reiterate the the

3138
02:18:52,260 --> 02:18:49,421
find from earlier it's at the top of the

3139
02:18:55,140 --> 02:18:52,270
video so if you missed it go back and

3140
02:18:58,500 --> 02:18:55,150
check that out it is information from

3141
02:19:01,440 --> 02:18:58,510
the a Pheo newsletter from back in 2002

3142
02:19:01,919 --> 02:19:01,450
and it is very interesting in terms of

3143
02:19:05,059 --> 02:19:01,929
the law

3144
02:19:08,910 --> 02:19:05,069
Vegas chapter being a new chapter as the

3145
02:19:10,349 --> 02:19:08,920
documents represent but not indicating

3146
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:10,359
that Admiral Wilson was there for their

3147
02:19:16,439 --> 02:19:12,160
first meeting which happened in October

3148
02:19:18,089 --> 02:19:16,449
of 2002 so there's that so I thought

3149
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:18,099
that was interesting and I'm glad I got

3150
02:19:22,979 --> 02:19:21,040
there out there with it if still they

3151
02:19:24,360 --> 02:19:22,989
don't they don't have Wilson in Vegas

3152
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:24,370
and that's where he needs to be for

3153
02:19:28,679 --> 02:19:26,800
these docks to be legit and nobody seems

3154
02:19:30,089 --> 02:19:28,689
to have that just yet so that's all

3155
02:19:31,469 --> 02:19:30,099
we've got for now we'll have more when

3156
02:19:34,259 --> 02:19:31,479
we get it we're not gonna sit on

3157
02:19:36,059 --> 02:19:34,269
anything we get it you're gonna find out

3158
02:19:38,610 --> 02:19:36,069
all about it yes and I would like to

3159
02:19:42,059 --> 02:19:38,620
make a little comment but I'm not gonna

3160
02:19:43,169 --> 02:19:42,069
reveal anything but I would if everybody

3161
02:19:46,259 --> 02:19:43,179
is listening right now

3162
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:46,269
I would definitely listen in on Sunday

3163
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:49,930
because we have a special guest on that

3164
02:19:57,389 --> 02:19:53,920
day that is going to really be very

3165
02:20:01,830 --> 02:19:57,399
interesting and let me put it this way

3166
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:01,840
this guest has to do with the current

3167
02:20:05,939 --> 02:20:04,090
trend that's going on right now in the

3168
02:20:08,570 --> 02:20:05,949
UFO community and that is the smoking

3169
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:08,580
gun Doc's and the alien autopsy emails

3170
02:20:16,110 --> 02:20:12,160
we have a guest from one of those Doc's

3171
02:20:17,250 --> 02:20:16,120
actually actually it would be from no

3172
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:17,260
that would be correct Frank Wright from

3173
02:20:20,939 --> 02:20:19,120
one of those docs from one of those dogs

3174
02:20:23,639 --> 02:20:20,949
yes from one of those Doc's who will be

3175
02:20:25,889 --> 02:20:23,649
on our show on Sunday and that is going

3176
02:20:27,150 --> 02:20:25,899
to be a fascinating interview so we look

3177
02:20:30,179 --> 02:20:27,160
forward to that

3178
02:20:32,610 --> 02:20:30,189
that will be at noon West Coast time on

3179
02:20:34,679 --> 02:20:32,620
Sunday so please tune in to that show